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Post by lga on Aug 4, 2019 19:55:57 GMT -5
Basically what they did was genius. They took a story and had engaged the public in helping the case. Most of us didn't live in Baltimore, none or maybe most of us are not licensed investigators, most of us were not friends with alumni, or with neighbors, etc. They threw us bones to keep the site up and the legend alive. Truly a genius idea. I do applaud them for that. This keeps the flame alive. Maybe for Abbie it is to make people aware of sexual abuse, the survivors gives them some kind of thrill to be part of this story, Shane it gives him a name to be made, Gemma it makes her feel powerful and loved and she gets to have fans. As if the detectives were really going to take what we found out and go with it. They were investigating it all and even exhumed the body of Maskell. Yet I fell for it for awhile until I began to notice alot of it did not make any sense. I feel do stupid over this. And the sick urban legend stays alive and the Maskell family is destroyed so is the Scannell family and Koob too...This is just insane, now they have a set of new people doing the same that we did...and we can't stop them. Sigh
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Post by catherine on Aug 5, 2019 0:39:06 GMT -5
Well, I was contacted just recently and I just got back from vacation and catching up life. I was contacted by a researcher who started with Alan Horn, they do not talk to Alan anymore. After a lengthy discussion on what we had found this person admitted to me that they found all the rapes to be bogus, there are reasons for that and let me tell you this person and team were heavy connected to survivors. My question is does anyone have any info on Shane Waters? Please let me know. Thank you. We have some pretty savvy people in this group who are great investigators, including some who have backgrounds in journalism and the legal profession. What can we do to help?
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Post by lga on Aug 5, 2019 12:44:33 GMT -5
If these women who are going to go to the police and the AOB with their findings, can debunk that Charles William Schmidt, wife is Virginia lived elsewhere, they can add it to the file. They keep saying that he lived in the Carriage House, no documentation on it, so then they said, he sublet from someone. No evidence to back it up. If someone can find that this couple lived elsewhere then boom.
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Post by kitty on Aug 6, 2019 2:59:28 GMT -5
If these women who are going to go to the police and the AOB with their findings, can debunk that Charles William Schmidt, wife is Virginia lived elsewhere, they can add it to the file. They keep saying that he lived in the Carriage House, no documentation on it, so then they said, he sublet from someone. No evidence to back it up. If someone can find that this couple lived elsewhere then boom. I probably have Charles William Schmidt mixed up with someone else in "The Keepers." Is he Billy Schmidt, the one who was supposed to be gay?
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Post by lga on Aug 6, 2019 9:42:05 GMT -5
Yes, it is Billy Schmidt. There is no record of him living there. I can say that information was sent to Alan Horn and Gemma and Abbie and they don't say what they were given. It's like Billy Schmidt is off limits but at the same time, Gemma is convinced he did it. Now I will say that Maureen, Maskell's sister told us in a private message that when her brother's body was exhumed that the police told her that "they believe that the killer was one of the crazies relative and was a serial killer" She was never told the name. Gemma is sneaky, she throws bits and pieces about Billy Schmidt and moves on. We think, and this is only an opinion. That Gemma was told by police their suspect was probably Billy but no evidence to link him to the murder. So maybe that is why she always told me the detectives are close to closing the case and it's Billy. That was 2 years ago. Nothing. But in the meantime, she allows people to speak ill of Koob who is alive and others. It's to make her stardom shine. She needs fans. Shane uses her for his own crap. They don't care about anyone. It's all about them. When you stop and think about it, don't you think the police would have Schmidt's address from back then? Yet in the beginning she, Alan sent all of us on a goose chase. This is so insane.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Aug 6, 2019 17:40:18 GMT -5
Yes, it is Billy Schmidt. There is no record of him living there. I can say that information was sent to Alan Horn and Gemma and Abbie and they don't say what they were given. It's like Billy Schmidt is off limits but at the same time, Gemma is convinced he did it. Now I will say that Maureen, Maskell's sister told us in a private message that when her brother's body was exhumed that the police told her that "they believe that the killer was one of the crazies relative and was a serial killer" She was never told the name. Gemma is sneaky, she throws bits and pieces about Billy Schmidt and moves on. We think, and this is only an opinion. That Gemma was told by police their suspect was probably Billy but no evidence to link him to the murder. So maybe that is why she always told me the detectives are close to closing the case and it's Billy. That was 2 years ago. Nothing. But in the meantime, she allows people to speak ill of Koob who is alive and others. It's to make her stardom shine. She needs fans. Shane uses her for his own crap. They don't care about anyone. It's all about them. When you stop and think about it, don't you think the police would have Schmidt's address from back then? Yet in the beginning she, Alan sent all of us on a goose chase. This is so insane. Billy Schmidt and Virginia Seward Schmidt had a son, Raymond F. Schmidt. I haven’t yet located the year of his birth, but he was probably born in the 1960s. If he’s still living – and I haven’t found any evidence that he isn’t – he would probably be in his 50s.
I haven’t found anything indicating the Schmidts divorced or lived apart at any time in their marriage, either, so I find it doubtful Billy was gay. However, he does look somewhat gay in this photo, in which he appears to be a young teenager.
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Post by lga on Aug 6, 2019 17:53:20 GMT -5
Thank you. We find it so strange that there never is any info about his address. He was born in May of 1938. His was Virginia Lee, who had a son, it wasn't his, Raymond but carried his last name. Just so weird. I don't really believe the gay story. Thank you.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Aug 6, 2019 22:30:21 GMT -5
Thank you. We find it so strange that there never is any info about his address. He was born in May of 1938. His was Virginia Lee, who had a son, it wasn't his, Raymond but carried his last name. Just so weird. I don't really believe the gay story. Thank you. Virginia's maiden name was Seward. She was the daughter of Charles S. and Dorothy Walls Seward. Do you know why Billy and his wife died so young? She died in 1979, a month before she would have turned 42, and he died two years later at 43. Both were living in Lochearn when they died. They should be listed in old city directories and telephone books and their newspaper obituaries may provide their address, which will make it easier to trace them.
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Post by lga on Aug 7, 2019 8:07:39 GMT -5
Well, that is the problem. No one can find anything about him. The information you posted is known but nothing else. Someone had posted that there was a Charles William Schmidt, Virginia living on S Washington ?? But nothing else, we don't have a date when he lived there and we can't even find how this person got that address. It was posted on Facebook but no other info, the whole address wasn't posted. Just the weirdest thing. Gemma won't even acknowledge it. Wouldn't the police who are investigating this case, know the address? I would think so. Just so strange.
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Post by lga on Aug 7, 2019 8:12:54 GMT -5
I wonder now that maybe they didn't even live in the state. Now if the Schmidt's went to the police to give their testimony about Uncle Billy wouldn't they have the address and info on him? Why di
A few people were complaining how much money they spent on joining several outlets to find, newspaper clippings, ancestory, etc. For what? Gemma is evil and needs to be taken down. I have been told that a few them lied about the sex abuse. Maureen, Maskell's sister told us that there was 24 hour guard with Maskell in the hospital, there was no way Lil saw or spoke to him and he was not a shell, he spoke and ate.
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Post by pat on Aug 7, 2019 9:49:29 GMT -5
Maureen, Maskell's sister told us that there was 24 hour guard with Maskell in the hospital, there was no way Lil saw or spoke to him and he was not a shell, he spoke and ate. Is Lil the person who said Maskell confessed to her? Did anyone other than Gemma ever talk to her?
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Post by pat on Aug 7, 2019 9:54:13 GMT -5
Well, that is the problem. No one can find anything about him. The information you posted is known but nothing else. Someone had posted that there was a Charles William Schmidt, Virginia living on S Washington ?? But nothing else, we don't have a date when he lived there and we can't even find how this person got that address. It was posted on Facebook but no other info, the whole address wasn't posted. Just the weirdest thing. Gemma won't even acknowledge it. Wouldn't the police who are investigating this case, know the address? I would think so. Just so strange. Does anyone know what happened to Virginia's son? If he could be found, he would know where his parents were living when they died and if they had ever lived at the Carriage House.
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Post by madeline on Aug 7, 2019 10:28:11 GMT -5
Sister Cathy's body was found behind the Schmidt family business and I think that's the only reason Billy Schmidt was dragged into it. I've read online that he left the family home and moved to the apartment where Cathy lived. But he was married, so why is there nothing in any of The Keepers info about his wife? Also, he wasn't Catholic, so why would he have been mixed up with nuns and Catholic priests?
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Post by Graveyardbride on Aug 7, 2019 11:33:47 GMT -5
Sister Cathy's body was found behind the Schmidt family business and I think that's the only reason Billy Schmidt was dragged into it. I've read online that he left the family home and moved to the apartment where Cathy lived. But he was married, so why is there nothing in any of The Keepers info about his wife? Also, he wasn't Catholic, so why would he have been mixed up with nuns and Catholic priests? I agree. According to this site:According to Billy’s obituary, he didn’t die until 1981, which would have been 12 years, not “months,” after Cathy Cesnik’s death. Additionally, his funeral was held in a Pentecostal Holiness church, a denomination that even today, doesn’t tolerate homosexuality, and isn’t particularly enlightened when it comes to suicide. If Billy Schmidt committed suicide, unless someone in the church had a lot of clout and insisted services be conducted in the church, such services would have been held in the funeral home.
The Schmidt family wasn’t poor and Billy probably inherited something from his father, who died in 1970. Even if he didn’t own any real estate – and we don’t know that he didn’t – most people have a bank account along with personal property. Unfortunately, the official records of Baltimore County for 1981 aren’t available online, but they are available at the Baltimore County Courthouse and if there are any records on Billy and/or Ginny Schmidt, it would contain their address.
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Post by lga on Aug 7, 2019 13:59:36 GMT -5
I got tired of searching for Billy Schmidt. His son is Raymond Schmidt. I agree a search should be made on him. Now you have to know that where Cathy was found was very far from the Schmidt house and business. It was not that close as people seem to think. I will let the girls know about Baltimore County Courthouse. Just seems when searching this man everything is shut down. I have to see if I have a copy of his death certificate. It's somewhere.
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