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Post by pat on Jan 18, 2015 19:52:31 GMT -5
I watched it, too. I hope that the prosecutor refiles against them.
The other part of 48 Hours was also interesting, but I think I had seen something about it before. The minister murdered two of his wives and I think that he probably murdered the husband of the woman he was having an affair with, too, even if they did say that he had an alibi. I think the police should do some more checking into the death of the husband because the man had children and he wouldn't have gone to the preacher's office and shot himself without even leaving a note for his kids or to explain why he was doing it.
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Post by pat on Jan 15, 2015 0:02:33 GMT -5
You won't get any argument from me, Jason. There are statistics that show that children of single and divorced women are much more likely to be abused and neglected, especially by boyfriends of their mothers. But the same isn't true of children of windows and I think that's because widows usually remain closer to family members than single and divorced women, and widows are just more respectable. I know some single and divorced mothers who bring home men to live with them for a few months at the time and the children hate it. A lot of those men abuse and neglect the children and the mother allows it because she's afraid he'll leave if she says anything.
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Post by pat on Jan 10, 2015 0:03:55 GMT -5
Sam: I'm not sure that it's all that unusual for men who are into that kind of thing to share girls with their friends. There was a court case here in Florida about a 15 year old girl who was taken in by a man and he passed her around to his friends. I've also heard of pedophiles passing kids along to other pedophiles when the child gets older. People who do things like that are sick and somehow they seem to find each other.
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Post by pat on Jan 9, 2015 23:58:03 GMT -5
And no wonder he was constipated all the time!
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Post by pat on Dec 23, 2014 15:25:06 GMT -5
I love stories about sunken bells. When we were in England, we heard about a lost island off of the coast of Cornwall, where the sunken bells are still heard ringing.
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Post by pat on Dec 23, 2014 15:14:10 GMT -5
That makes sense, Kitty, but if he did rape her after she was dead, he was a sick SOB. The article said that he was probably drinking and people will do a lot of things when they're drunk that they wouldn't do when they're sober.
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Post by pat on Dec 22, 2014 15:26:46 GMT -5
Kate, I agree. If Hickock and Smith did it, they wouldn't have had any reason to dig through a cedar chest and take the uniform and they certainly wouldn't have taken a marriage license off the wall. This was personal.
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Post by pat on Dec 18, 2014 22:39:51 GMT -5
I hope that the sheriff up there is reading internet sites because I don't think he's the sharpest tool in the drawer, though I agree that the couple probably knew their killers. It probably hasn't occurred to him to check on kids recently sent away for psychiatric treatment and that is definitely something that he should be doing.
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Post by pat on Dec 18, 2014 22:30:03 GMT -5
I live just south of Jacksonville in Clay County and I remember that it was back in the mid or late 1990's when it was all over the news about the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office losing the evidence that had been collected from Toole's car when he was in the Duval County Jail in the early 1980's. There was blood on the carpet of his car, but this was before DNA testing and the carpet was supposed to be put in the evidence room. Then when DNA testing was available, they couldn't find the bloody carpet. So far as I know, Ottis Toole never committed any crimes in Lake City.
I used to know this paralegal who was a member of some kind of organization against the death penalty, and she used to visit prisoners at Florida State Prison. She had two sons and one day when she was interviewing Toole, he asked her if she had any pictures of her sons and she was so stupid that she took out her wallet and showed him the photos of her sons, who were around 6 and 8, and Toole started telling her about how he would like to rape and murder them. Toole was one sick weirdo.
I heard on the news from Jacksonville just the other night that less than half of the murders so far this year have been solved. Jacksonville has a very high violent crime rate, a lot higher than the average in Florida, but most of the murders are black on black crime, so no one ever hears about most of them.
The following site was the first one that I found about JSO losing the evidence, but I'm sure there are others, even if it was almost 20 years ago:
articles.sun-sentinel.com/1996-02-17/news/9602170032_1_adam-walsh-ottis-elwood-toole-adam-s-killer
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Post by pat on Dec 17, 2014 1:57:29 GMT -5
I'd like to read them again, too. I didn't copy them when they were posted. I tried to find them, but couldn't, so they must have been posted in the group that was deleted.
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Post by pat on Dec 17, 2014 1:53:54 GMT -5
I doubt that he's a first time necrophiliac because he's too old. This is probably just the first time he's been caught. He actually videotaped himself having sex with the corpse and now he's hired a high priced lawyer in the area to defend him.
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Post by pat on Dec 17, 2014 1:35:28 GMT -5
I just read that the FBI is questioning Ali Alsanie and that it is his father who owns the gas station, not him. If that's true, why would his father allow him to have all those weapons and pose with stacks of money? If the store wasn't a drug front, all those gangsters wouldn't be hanging out there. Why would his father allow that? I think that both father and son are terrorists who are collecting money to support terrorist organizations and dealing drugs brings in a lot of money.
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Post by pat on Dec 5, 2014 17:43:43 GMT -5
I looked at the photos and that house isn't right on the lake, it's in a little inlet, so it's doubtful anyone would have noticed a strange boat docked there, or people going in and out of the house. I wouldn't want to live there, not because the house might be haunted, but because I don't like the layout of the house, or anything else about it. It's a cold looking house. It has no personality. I don't understand why people build big houses like that when there are so many old houses for sale that are much prettier.
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Post by pat on Dec 3, 2014 17:35:52 GMT -5
I think that Bagans takes steroids and steroids affect the brain and can cause delusions. That's probably the reason he's seeing demons in his house. I also think he's gay and I don't see anything attractive about him.
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Post by pat on Dec 3, 2014 17:29:36 GMT -5
Wolfscratch, do you know how long the Dermonds had lived in the house, or why they didn't employ any outside help? I'm nowhere near their age and I would have a hard time keeping a house of that size spotless, like it was described in the reports. I don't know if anyone else agrees with me, but I think there's something very strange about two people of that age and with their money living in a house of that size without at least having a cleaning woman come in once a week.
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