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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 18:31:23 GMT -5
Anyone ever have an accidental Vision Quest experience?
Everyone knows about the classic Vision Quest where you purify yourself and go out in the woods or on a mountain and go without food and sleep until you receive some visionary experience. No one really does those things on purpose but I think they can happen accidentally, however, whenever and wherever.
Mine did happen in the woods when I was alone and couldn't sleep. I did ask myself or whatever was out there what I was doing or supposed to do and I did get a "word of knowledge" which I followed off and on for over 35 years.
I think I got it all figured out now. The first 25 years it was pretty muddled up in my mind. None of the churches really helped me out in understanding it.
Vision quest
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For the film, see Vision Quest.
A vision quest is a rite of passage in some Native American cultures. It is usually only undertaken by young males entering adulthood.[1] Individual Indigenous cultures have their own names for their rites of passage. "Vision quest" is an English umbrella term, and may not always be accurate or used by the cultures in question.
Among Native American cultures who have this type of rite, it usually consists of a series of ceremonies led by Elders and supported by the young man's community.[1] The process includes a complete fast for four days and nights, alone at a sacred site in nature which is chosen by the Elders for this purpose.[1] Some communities have used the same sites for many generations. During this time, the young person prays and cries out to the spirits that they may have a vision, one that will help them find their purpose in life, their role in community, and how they may best serve the People.[1] Dreams or visions may involve natural symbolism - such as animals or forces of nature - that require interpretation by Elders.[1] After their passage into adulthood, and guided by this experience, the young person may then become an apprentice or student of an adult who has mastered this role.[1]
When talking to Yellow Wolf, Lucullus Virgil McWhorter came to believe that the person fasts, and stays awake and concentrates on their quest until their mind becomes "comatose."[1] It was then that their Weyekin (Nez Perce word) revealed itself.[1]
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Post by Sam on Jan 28, 2018 22:55:35 GMT -5
I've never had a vision like that myself, but I know some men who got lost in the woods and went days without food and they all said that they experienced some very strange visions. One of them completely changed the way he lived his life after he had the vision.
I also know of some folks who had visions after accidentally eating Jimson Weed.
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Post by kitty on Jan 29, 2018 14:30:28 GMT -5
Mine did happen in the woods when I was alone and couldn't sleep. I did ask myself or whatever was out there what I was doing or supposed to do and I did get a "word of knowledge" which I followed off and on for over 35 years. I think I got it all figured out now. The first 25 years it was pretty muddled up in my mind. None of the churches really helped me out in understanding it. Since you say that the churches didn't help, does that mean that you had a religious vision?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 17:54:33 GMT -5
Mine did happen in the woods when I was alone and couldn't sleep. I did ask myself or whatever was out there what I was doing or supposed to do and I did get a "word of knowledge" which I followed off and on for over 35 years. I think I got it all figured out now. The first 25 years it was pretty muddled up in my mind. None of the churches really helped me out in understanding it. Since you say that the churches didn't help, does that mean that you had a religious vision?
Hi. Well, actually I had what some call "a word of knowledge" about a path to take, although I did have a minor hallucination on the way out. Because the message seemed to come out of left field and seemed like a suggestion "alien" to me or not something I would have thought of, I thought it had to be divine. The church first made me think it had to be evil because of the "pagan" setting. Then they made me think it was a Divine calling again. The message was innocuous and definitely trustworthy except when you take it too far and think it's your "ticket". Thinking about it too much made it worse so treating it like the devil sometimes helped. I did consider all visions to be religious. Although I'm not of that opinion anymore. Religion might be in the interpretation though if you're religious and turn to that for affirmation.
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Post by jane on Jan 29, 2018 18:05:15 GMT -5
Hi. Well, actually I had what some call "a word of knowledge" about a path to take, although I did have a minor hallucination on the way out. Because the message seemed to come out of left field and seemed like a suggestion "alien" to me or not something I would have thought of, I thought it had to be divine. The church first made me think it had to be evil because of the "pagan" setting. Then they made me think it was a Divine calling again. The message was innocuous and definitely trustworthy except when you take it too far and think it's your "ticket". Thinking about it too much made it worse so treating it like the devil sometimes helped. I did consider all visions to be religious. Although I'm not of that opinion anymore. Religion might be in the interpretation though if your religious and turn to that for affirmation.
What did the church mean by "pagan" setting?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 21:03:25 GMT -5
Some denominations seem to be feel more strongly about it, but the word pagan means the same thing as heathen, both "from the country", and the fact that the Churches still use these terms from the time of Rome suggests that the mentality is still the same. Even the churches that like to go on retreats never took us overnight to a wilderness setting that wasn't a "Christian" camp.
All the spirit filled meetings and the only time it ever happened again was at a trailer park in the country. Maybe it's the being alone thing. Why should one person out of a gathering of hundreds get a major personal message? It would seem unfair.
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Post by jason on Jan 31, 2018 14:32:13 GMT -5
Some denominations seem to be feel more strongly about it, but the word pagan means the same thing as heathen, both "from the country", and the fact that the Churches still use these terms from the time of Rome suggests that the mentality is still the same. Even the churches that like to go on retreats never took us overnight to a wilderness setting that wasn't a "Christian" camp. All the spirit filled meetings and the only time it ever happened again was at a trailer park in the country. Maybe it's the being alone thing. Why should one person out of a gathering of hundreds get a major personal message? It would seem unfair. That's strange. God made the forests, so you would think that churches would believe one could get closer to God in nature than in some ugly, modern, manmade building. Most churches built since the early 20th century are godawful ugly travesties.
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Post by jane on Feb 14, 2018 23:40:18 GMT -5
Church is just community and it's useless when there's no real community or communion. Only the practicing missionaries are of any real worth and I'd be willing to go see them still. People here seem to put a lot of stock in "recognized" authorities and if they're bad then the subject matter is bad, whether it's psychology or religion. But I choose to take stock, renounce everything if it's not working and start all over. This is a lot about the Third Eye. What are the female advantages and what are the male? Men generally have a natural advantage that fewer women have naturally or chose to attain, perhaps out of ignorance, I'm not sure. I don't think it's all about sexism or less fear of going out alone in the wilderness. Women have their advantage. I'm guessing, but I'm pretty sure. It's related to Third Eye blindness or weakness. I'm not sure if by the Third Eye you mean the pineal eye or the figurative Third Eye of perception beyond the ordinary senses. But if it's the latter, the Third Eye is much more pronounced in women than in men. Women are and always have been more perceptive and intuitive. I think this perception beyond the ordinary developed in women because they are physically weaker than men and they were responsible for bearing and caring for children. They couldn't physically overpower a man who meant them harm, so they had to depend on their intuitive powers to avoid danger.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 1:00:58 GMT -5
I thought of a way to make a point here. I haven't looked it up yet but I believe there has to be information online about whether or not "nerds" are actually smarter or if they have some other talent. If it is something else, why would a nerd or a geek have it and someone else not?
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Post by jason on Mar 7, 2018 2:18:41 GMT -5
I thought of a way to make a point here. I haven't looked it up yet but I believe there has to be information online about whether or not "nerds" are actually smarter or if they have some other talent. If it is something else, why would a nerd or a geek have it and someone else not?
Some super-intelligent people are nerds, but not all nerds are super-intelligent. Nerds are socially inept and I know some nerds who are very smart, but there are others who are smart about certain things, such as computers, math, playing videogames, or whatever, but who fail miserably in other areas. There are also nerds who are as dumb as the proverbial post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 14:11:28 GMT -5
Right, Jason. What I just read online after reading your post pretty much agrees with what you're saying. Nerds are no more smarter than any other group.
So the question now is why are they more successful. Why do proverbial "nerds" come up with Apple Computer? Okay Tesla is smart but there thousands of others in the world just as smart?
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Post by steve on Mar 7, 2018 21:53:37 GMT -5
Right, Jason. What I just read online after reading your post pretty much agrees with what you're saying. Nerds are no more smarter than any other group. So the question now is why are they more successful. Why do proverbial "nerds" come up with Apple Computer? Okay Tesla is smart but there thousands of others in the world just as smart? I haven't noticed that nerds are any more successful than regular guys. Just because Bill Gates, Steve Wozniak and some other nerds became billionaires doesn't mean that nerds are more successful. I think that it's more of how they make their money. Nerds make money in the techie field, but other billionaires like Warren Buffett and Donald Trump made their money in real estate and then there are all of those Texas oil billionaires. Nerds don't have the people skills to wheel and deal. Thinking back to high school, some of the nerds I knew are successful and some are total losers. But the group that usually ends up failing the worst in life are jocks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 2:14:07 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about monetary success. I'm talking about invention and revolutionary innovation. The airplane (how are the Wright brothers categorized?), Apple, cell phones, smart phones, AC/DC, the lightbulb (Edison was home schooled), astrophysics and cosmology. All the great astronomers were astologists as well. Newton was obsessed with Revelations.
I don't say it's because they're smarter, even if they are smart. This stuff is more Third Eye stuff. But I don't say they have more of a Third Eye either. Not to start with anyway.
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Post by catherine on Mar 8, 2018 22:45:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure if by the Third Eye you mean the pineal eye or the figurative Third Eye of perception beyond the ordinary senses. But if it's the latter, the Third Eye is much more pronounced in women than in men. Women are and always have been more perceptive and intuitive. I think this perception beyond the ordinary developed in women because they are physically weaker than men and they were responsible for bearing and caring for children. They couldn't physically overpower a man who meant them harm, so they had to depend on their intuitive powers to avoid danger. That's probably the best explanation I've ever heard about the Third Eye, intuition, or whatever you want to call it. If any men have the Third Eye, it would be someone like Edgar Cayce.
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Post by steve on Mar 10, 2018 2:01:31 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about monetary success. I'm talking about invention and revolutionary innovation. The airplane (how are the Wright brothers categorized?), Apple, cell phones, smart phones, AC/DC, the lightbulb (Edison was home schooled), astrophysics and cosmology. All the great astronomers were astologists as well. Newton was obsessed with Revelations. I don't say it's because they're smarter, even if they are smart. This stuff is more Third Eye stuff. But I don't say they have more of a Third Eye either. Not to start with anyway.
I've always thought of Third Eye stuff as more spiritual than technical.
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