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Post by Dropship on Jul 11, 2024 1:59:27 GMT -5
I ran a 'Dyatlov' search here but nothing came up, or did I do the search procedure wrong? I've got a murder theory that might explain their deaths unless it's already been covered by members.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Jul 11, 2024 4:43:00 GMT -5
I ran a 'Dyatlov' search here but nothing came up, or did I do the search procedure wrong? I've got a murder theory that might explain their deaths unless it's already been covered by members. First, welcome to our group. To my knowledge, there are no articles or discussions concerning the Dyatlov Pass incident, but you are welcome to post your theory and begin a discussion.
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Post by Dropship on Jul 11, 2024 6:58:40 GMT -5
The basic details are that 9 highly-experienced Russian hikers in the Ural mountains in midwinter apparently slashed their way out of the tent with a knife and ran partially-clothed almost a mile down to the trees in subzero temperatures where they froze to death, and nobody knows why. There have been plenty of youtube vids and books full of assorted theories, but as far as I know my "murder" theory is the only one that holds water. Here's a link to a Wiki article, maybe WLB members can come up with a theory?.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident
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Post by JoannaL on Jul 11, 2024 7:01:41 GMT -5
The basic details are that 9 highly-experienced Russian hikers in the Ural mountains in midwinter apparently slashed their way out of the tent with a knife and ran partially-clothed almost a mile down to the trees in subzero temperatures where they froze to death, and nobody knows why. There have been plenty of youtube vids and books full of assorted theories, but as far as I know my "murder" theory has never been posted anywhere except by me. So what is your murder theory?
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Post by Dropship on Jul 11, 2024 7:11:49 GMT -5
The answer seems to have been staring people in the face for the past 60 years, but I seem to be the only one who's picked up on it, here goes- While waiting for a train at Serov station to take them to the hiking area, a chap accused the Dyatlov group of stealing his wallet and he called the police, but no arrests were made. So I'm guessing that the accuser got some of his friends together to track the Dyatlovs to get his wallet back, by force if necessary, and a big fight broke out on the mountainside with the accusers group getting the upper hand.
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Post by Sam on Jul 12, 2024 0:41:50 GMT -5
The answer seems to have been staring people in the face for the past 60 years, but I seem to be the only one who's picked up on it, here goes- While waiting for a train at Serov station to take them to the hiking area, a chap accused the Dyatlov group of stealing his wallet and he called the police, but no arrests were made. So I'm guessing that the accuser got some of his friends together to track the Dyatlovs to get his wallet back, by force if necessary, and a big fight broke out on the mountainside with the accusers group getting the upper hand. Welcome to the group, Dropship. How far was it from where the man accused the group of stealing his wallet to where they died? Also, would he and his friends have been able to get there and back easily, that is, by some means other than walking? or was the Dyatlov Pass in the wilderness where there would have been deep snow?
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Post by Dropship on Jul 12, 2024 13:41:05 GMT -5
The answer seems to have been staring people in the face for the past 60 years, but I seem to be the only one who's picked up on it, here goes- While waiting for a train at Serov station to take them to the hiking area, a chap accused the Dyatlov group of stealing his wallet and he called the police, but no arrests were made. So I'm guessing that the accuser got some of his friends together to track the Dyatlovs to get his wallet back, by force if necessary, and a big fight broke out on the mountainside with the accusers group getting the upper hand. Welcome to the group, Dropship. How far was it from where the man accused the group of stealing his wallet to where they died? Also, would he and his friends have been able to get there and back easily, that is, by some means other than walking? or was the Dyatlov Pass in the wilderness where there would have been deep snow? The Dyatlov group had to change trains at Serov station (see map below) which took them north, then they caught a bus and truck to go further north, then the remaining few miles by ski. This is an account of the wallet incident in the book "Mountain of the Dead"- p 20- "A young alcoholic accused someone in the group of stealing his wallet, with the result that the police were called. Luckily nothing came of it and the group were allowed to proceed without any further restrictions, much to their relief"
So the guy and his pals (who might have been hikers themselves) could have tracked the Dyatlovs to get their wallet back-
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Post by jason on Jul 12, 2024 16:56:57 GMT -5
The Dyatlov group had to change trains at Serov station (see map below) which took them north, then they caught a bus and truck to go further north, then the remaining few miles by ski. This is an account of the wallet incident in the book "Mountain of the Dead"- p 20- "A young alcoholic accused someone in the group of stealing his wallet, with the result that the police were called. Luckily nothing came of it and the group were allowed to proceed without any further restrictions, much to their relief"
So the guy and his pals (who might have been hikers themselves) could have tracked the Dyatlovs to get their wallet back- First of all, you have to remember this was the Soviet Union, so the guy probably didn't have a whole lot in his wallet to begin with, certainly not enough to warrant rounding up a group of experienced hikers/skiers, purchase train tickets, then -- carrying ski gear -- purchase bus tickets, after which they would have had to find a truck to take them farther north. To complete their 150+-mile trek, they would have then had to follow the Dyatlov group through the wilderness without being discovered. I just don't see anyone going to that much bother and spending that much time and money to recover a few rubles. And don't forget, the man who accused them of stealing his wallet was allegedly drunk, which means he was probably incapable of making such elaborate plans and talking his "friends" into accompanying him on such a senseless endeavor.
Welcome to WhatLiesBeyond.
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Post by aprillynn93 on Jul 12, 2024 17:15:01 GMT -5
I think it was most likely an avalanche that killed them.
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Post by Dropship on Jul 13, 2024 7:18:33 GMT -5
The Dyatlov group had to change trains at Serov station (see map below) which took them north, then they caught a bus and truck to go further north, then the remaining few miles by ski. This is an account of the wallet incident in the book "Mountain of the Dead"- p 20- "A young alcoholic accused someone in the group of stealing his wallet, with the result that the police were called. Luckily nothing came of it and the group were allowed to proceed without any further restrictions, much to their relief"
So the guy and his pals (who might have been hikers themselves) could have tracked the Dyatlovs to get their wallet back- First of all, you have to remember this was the Soviet Union, so the guy probably didn't have a whole lot in his wallet to begin with, certainly not enough to warrant rounding up a group of experienced hikers/skiers, purchase train tickets, then -- carrying ski gear -- purchase bus tickets, after which they would have had to find a truck to take them farther north. To complete their 150+-mile trek, they would have then had to follow the Dyatlov group through the wilderness without being discovered. I just don't see anyone going to that much bother and spending that much time and money to recover a few rubles. And don't forget, the man who accused them of stealing his wallet was allegedly drunk, which means he was probably incapable of making such elaborate plans and talking his "friends" into accompanying him on such a senseless endeavor.
Welcome to WhatLiesBeyond. 1- The alleged "drunk" told the police the Dyatlov's had pinched his wallet, so it must have contained enough money for him to take the loss very seriously. 2- p 20: It was common knowledge around town that the Dyatlovs were heading for Mt Otorten (9 miles north of where they eventually camped on the shallow slope of the Mountain of the Dead)-
"While waiting for their train connection at Serov station (where the alleged wallet theft incident took place), one of the Dyatlov females gave a talk to local schoolkids about their trip". 3- So they might have known their tracks in the snow were possibly being followed, so they diverted away from Mt Otorten in an attempt to throw the followers off their trail.
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Post by Dropship on Jul 13, 2024 7:39:30 GMT -5
Regarding the avalanche theory, the slope was very shallow, so it's debatable whether an avalanche got them. Here's a pic of the slope with the Dyatlovs partially-collapsed tent superimposed on it with searchers who found the tent. The red line is the Dyatlovs route as they fled down to the trees (circled)-
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Post by jason on Jul 13, 2024 9:40:48 GMT -5
1- The alleged "drunk" told the police the Dyatlov's had pinched his wallet, so it must have contained enough money for him to take the loss very seriously. 2- p 20: It was common knowledge around town that the Dyatlovs were heading for Mt Otorten (9 miles north of where they eventually camped on the shallow slope of the Mountain of the Dead)- "While waiting for their train connection at Serov station (where the alleged wallet theft incident took place), one of the Dyatlov females gave a talk to local schoolkids about their trip". 3- So they might have known their tracks in the snow were possibly being followed, so they diverted away from Mt Otorten in an attempt to throw the followers off their trail. If you think someone has pinched your wallet, you report it whether there's any money in it or not. Again, I think you're forgetting this was Soviet Russia, where citizens were required to prove their identity at all times, so the drunk was probably more concerned about his identity documents than he was about a few rubles. Still, it would have been easier to obtain replacement documents than follow a group of 9 people more than 150 miles in adverse conditions. Additionally, you have not explained how this drunk and his cadre of "friends" managed to find and attack the hikers in the wilderness when the moon, which was in its last quarter, did not rise until around midnight and offered very little light. I don't think there are very many avalanches in the area where the hikers set up camp, but there's a theory that the Soviet military was testing mine parachutes in the area and if the group had heard mines exploding nearby, they would have run for their lives. Of course, the secretive Soviets would have suppressed this information.
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Post by Dropship on Jul 14, 2024 5:15:54 GMT -5
The Dyatlov's tracks in the snow would have led the followers to their tent by torchlight. Searchers found "..a dropped flashlight near the tent" As for the mines theory, even if the Dyatlovs had heard them going off and ran down to the trees, why did they leave their warm clothes in the tent and run only partially-clothed?
It was like signing their own death warrants in the subzero conditions.
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Post by snowfairy on Jul 14, 2024 7:30:29 GMT -5
The Dyatlov's tracks in the snow would have led the followers to their tent by torchlight. Searchers found "..a dropped flashlight near the tent" As for the mines theory, even if the Dyatlovs had heard them going off and ran down to the trees, why did they leave their warm clothes in the tent and run only partially-clothed?
It was like signing their own death warrants in the subzero conditions. I've been skiing since I was a kid and unless there was moonlight, it would be next to impossible to track people at night using nothing more than flashlights. In this incident, why would the people you think killed the hikers have known to bring flashlights with them, or snowshoes and ski equipment for that matter? Even if the person who accused someone of stealing his wallet tried to follow them, he wouldn't have known he was going to have to track them through the snow. The flashlight found near the tent probably belonged to the hikers. I don't know what happened but if the person who said it could be landmines dropped by the Russian military is right, then the mine could have hit so close to the tent that it caught on fire. I read somewhere that the tent showed signs of a fire or explosion. If the tent was on fire, they would have tried to get out as fast as possible and wouldn't have had time to dress.
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Post by Dropship on Jul 15, 2024 4:59:31 GMT -5
The Dyatlov Pass Mystery is one of the greatest mysteries of all time, there are plenty of books, youtube vids and TV documentaries about it.. 1- The trackers were probably experienced hikers themselves, so they'd have been fully equipped with torches and skis etc. 2- Below is a pic of the Dyatlovs tent after searchers re-erected it back at base; it had knife cuts all over it as if somebody had tried to slash their way in, or the Dyatlovs had slashed their way out. 3- The bottom line is that nobody has ever been able to explain why the Dyatlovs ran down to the trees partially-clothed, because they must have known they were signing their own death warrants by freezing to death in the subzero conditions. 4- They may have been running to get away from the followers group who were trying to kill them to get their wallet back. Autopsies on the Dyatlovs revealed evidence of a fight- "Mountain of the Dead" book, pages 71-76- "George Krivonischenko- Bruises on hands. Igor Dyatlov..brown/red bruises in the area of the Metacarpophalangeal joints of the right hand. A common injury in fights using fists. Yuri Doroshenko - the fingers of both hands had torn skin. Rustem Slobodin- bruises..in both hands." 5- When searchers later found the abandoned tent, they noticed that clothes were strewn around outside, suggesting that after the injured Dyatlov group had fled down to the trees to get away, the attackers had ransacked the tent, slinging stuff out as they searched for the wallet- MOTD p 60- "Approximately 30-50ft (1-15 m) away from the tent were found shoes, socks and Igor Dyatlov's fur jacket which were lying in the snow. A weatherproof jacket also lay nearby."
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