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Post by jason on Mar 5, 2017 11:53:59 GMT -5
I know the family of Mary's and I know them well enough to know they had nothing to do with her murder..i knew her Dad and step mother really well.i used to go to their house a lot! I don't believe her Dad had anything to do with it..someone asked if her Dad was still alive..no he is not.. What do you think her dad would have done had he found out that she disobeyed him and gone to see her mother? He could have accidentally killed her and instead of calling the police, decided to hide the body.
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Post by katie on Mar 5, 2017 14:49:03 GMT -5
I still don't think he would have or did kill her..
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Post by katie on Mar 5, 2017 14:51:45 GMT -5
also at the time he didn't have a car which he would have needed to transport the body..i still don.t believe he did it!
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Post by kitty on Mar 6, 2017 16:39:35 GMT -5
I know the family of Mary's and I know them well enough to know they had nothing to do with her murder..i knew her Dad and step mother really well.i used to go to their house a lot! I don't believe her Dad had anything to do with it..someone asked if her Dad was still alive..no he is not.. Did her family or other people in the neighborhood have any ideas about who killed her?
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Post by thinkingofyou28 on Mar 6, 2017 19:33:07 GMT -5
I am Mary Theresa's 2nd cousin I have heard this growing up and hear my father say of two diff men who might have committed this horrible crime the two men are related and my father had mentioned an uncle Doug or her own father in wich has passed away now I have not got in all that far in this horrible crime but in my opinion from all what I have read I think maybe it was her father I hear lots of bad things about that side of the family and a grown man had to of lift hundred pound rocks and any normal parent would not report there kid missing at 1030 at night why couldn't it be at 10 or 1028 or at 830 9pm cmon and she was suppose to be home by 630 I believe Doug has been Dna tested but the father is passed away now so they can't test him does anyone know if he had Dna samples taken from him back then? GOD BLESS MARY Theresa May she have found peace in heaven with god if her killer may never get judged in this life may he be judged in the next.....
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Post by Joanna on Mar 7, 2017 2:58:47 GMT -5
I am Mary Theresa's 2nd cousin I have heard this growing up and hear my father say of two diff men who might have committed this horrible crime the two men are related and my father had mentioned an uncle Doug or her own father in wich has passed away now I have not got in all that far in this horrible crime but in my opinion from all what I have read I think maybe it was her father I hear lots of bad things about that side of the family and a grown man had to of lift hundred pound rocks and any normal parent would not report there kid missing at 1030 at night why couldn't it be at 10 or 1028 or at 830 9pm cmon and she was suppose to be home by 630 I believe Doug has been Dna tested but the father is passed away now so they can't test him does anyone know if he had Dna samples taken from him back then? GOD BLESS MARY Theresa May she have found peace in heaven with god if her killer may never get judged in this life may he be judged in the next..... Back in 1964, no one had ever heard of DNA testing. Anything that may have been on the body had probably deteriorated by the time the girl was found. Even if there's anything left from the crime scene or body and her father was exhumed and his DNA was found, it wouldn't prove anything because they lived in the same house. Unless there's a deathbed confession by the killer, or someone who knows who committed the murder, this little girl's murder will never be solved.
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Post by bauman on May 22, 2017 7:25:04 GMT -5
I am Mary Theresa's 2nd cousin I have heard this growing up and hear my father say of two diff men who might have committed this horrible crime the two men are related and my father had mentioned an uncle Doug or her own father in wich has passed away now I have not got in all that far in this horrible crime but in my opinion from all what I have read I think maybe it was her father I hear lots of bad things about that side of the family and a grown man had to of lift hundred pound rocks and any normal parent would not report there kid missing at 1030 at night why couldn't it be at 10 or 1028 or at 830 9pm cmon and she was suppose to be home by 630 I believe Doug has been Dna tested but the father is passed away now so they can't test him does anyone know if he had Dna samples taken from him back then? GOD BLESS MARY Theresa May she have found peace in heaven with god if her killer may never get judged in this life may he be judged in the next..... How are you related? You obviously aren't very close to our family or you wouldn't be talking crap about "that side" of the family. You shouldn't speak about what you don't know about.
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Post by wildcat on May 25, 2017 12:38:50 GMT -5
I lived in Elmira, NY, as a child and was in 2nd or 3rd grade when this happened. I didn't know Theresa and we went to different schools, but her disappearance was all anyone talked about--adults as well as kids on the playground. I have lived in the Midwest for some time now, but grew curious about the case several years back and ordered microfiche of the city newspaper through interlibrary loan. I don't think her father did it. From the photos, he was a slight man and so genuinely distraught by her death. I don't think he could have lifted the rocks onto her. At the time, "I'll kill you" was a common epithet and was seldom meant literally. I did not know this family, but as an adult reading the newspaper clips it seemed as if some of those on the mom's side (including the mother) seemed to enjoy the publicity, though I don't think they did it either. There are 2 other murders in Pennsylvania suspected to be linked to Theresa's, though I'm not sure why. I read about that here: www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?197423-NY-Mary-Theresa-Simpson-12-Elmira-15-March-1964. One is Carol Ann Dougherty, killed in Oct. 1962 in Bristol, PA; and Marise Chiverella, killed March 18, 1964, in Hazleton, PA. A priest (now deceased) was tied to both of those deaths but never charged, even though one girl was found in the church and the other was known to be dropping off canned goods at church. One town had hosted a basketball championship game against the other the night before, and the priest was thought to be visiting. I wish I could find my clips of Mary Theresa's murder. I could swear there was something in there about a priest who saw her walking home and asked her if she wanted a ride, but she declined, he said. St. Patrick's where she attended, was on her route home. The rocks placed on her suggest at least two people did this. Two priests? Just finished watching "The Keepers" on Netflix, and can't find any other reason for the murders to be linked. If anyone else from the area--family perhaps--remembers coverage of a priest saying he saw her and offered her a ride, do they know the priest's name? I always wondered why the father pulled her out of school at St. Patricks and when he returned to town enrolled her in public school.
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Post by wildcat on May 25, 2017 12:44:07 GMT -5
Also, regarding her father not calling police until 10:30...This was in the day before child abductions became so common. One of the problems was that police often did not respond to missing person reports--even those involving children--until 24 hours had passed. I know my parents would have been out searching for me and even sending my brothers out to comb the area on their bikes before calling police in. Just saying.
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Post by wildcat on May 25, 2017 13:36:20 GMT -5
I just looked up clips on Elmira Star-Gazette website (requires subscription). No mention of priest, but there was information from her cousins that she would never get into a car with anyone unless she knew them, that she'd once turned down a ride with an uncle. I guess that's what had stuck in my mind and I conflated it with the priest thing. I still wonder about priest involvement though. The possible tie to Marise Chiverella's death was mentioned in the newspaper. Theresa disappeared on 3/15 and was found on 3/19. Marise disappeared 3/18. Folks who live in the area where the body was found said their dogs were extremely upset the night of 3/17. If the same priest who is suspected in the death of Marise and Carol Ann Dougherty (in 1962) had anything to do with Theresa's death, it's interesting to note that the area near Philly where he was stationed at the time is almost directly south, along the highway, from Elmira to Hazelton to Bristol/Levittown.
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Post by Joanna on May 25, 2017 17:09:15 GMT -5
I lived in Elmira, NY, as a child and was in 2nd or 3rd grade when this happened. I didn't know Theresa and we went to different schools, but her disappearance was all anyone talked about--adults as well as kids on the playground. I have lived in the Midwest for some time now, but grew curious about the case several years back and ordered microfiche of the city newspaper through interlibrary loan. I don't think her father did it. From the photos, he was a slight man and so genuinely distraught by her death. I don't think he could have lifted the rocks onto her. At the time, "I'll kill you" was a common epithet and was seldom meant literally. I did not know this family, but as an adult reading the newspaper clips it seemed as if some of those on the mom's side (including the mother) seemed to enjoy the publicity, though I don't think they did it either. There are 2 other murders in Pennsylvania suspected to be linked to Theresa's, though I'm not sure why. I read about that here: www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?197423-NY-Mary-Theresa-Simpson-12-Elmira-15-March-1964. One is Carol Ann Dougherty, killed in Oct. 1962 in Bristol, PA; and Marise Chiverella, killed March 18, 1964, in Hazleton, PA. A priest (now deceased) was tied to both of those deaths but never charged, even though one girl was found in the church and the other was known to be dropping off canned goods at church. One town had hosted a basketball championship game against the other the night before, and the priest was thought to be visiting. I wish I could find my clips of Mary Theresa's murder. I could swear there was something in there about a priest who saw her walking home and asked her if she wanted a ride, but she declined, he said. St. Patrick's where she attended, was on her route home. The rocks placed on her suggest at least two people did this. Two priests? Just finished watching "The Keepers" on Netflix, and can't find any other reason for the murders to be linked. If anyone else from the area--family perhaps--remembers coverage of a priest saying he saw her and offered her a ride, do they know the priest's name? I always wondered why the father pulled her out of school at St. Patricks and when he returned to town enrolled her in public school. Welcome to the group, and thank you for sharing this information.
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Post by Sam on May 26, 2017 0:05:33 GMT -5
There are 2 other murders in Pennsylvania suspected to be linked to Theresa's, though I'm not sure why. I read about that here: www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?197423-NY-Mary-Theresa-Simpson-12-Elmira-15-March-1964. One is Carol Ann Dougherty, killed in Oct. 1962 in Bristol, PA; and Marise Chiverella, killed March 18, 1964, in Hazleton, PA. A priest (now deceased) was tied to both of those deaths but never charged, even though one girl was found in the church and the other was known to be dropping off canned goods at church. One town had hosted a basketball championship game against the other the night before, and the priest was thought to be visiting. I wish I could find my clips of Mary Theresa's murder. I could swear there was something in there about a priest who saw her walking home and asked her if she wanted a ride, but she declined, he said. St. Patrick's where she attended, was on her route home. The rocks placed on her suggest at least two people did this. Two priests? Just finished watching "The Keepers" on Netflix, and can't find any other reason for the murders to be linked. If anyone else from the area--family perhaps--remembers coverage of a priest saying he saw her and offered her a ride, do they know the priest's name? I always wondered why the father pulled her out of school at St. Patricks and when he returned to town enrolled her in public school. Thanks for sharing. That's interesting that someone has found a connection between the 3 murders. I'd like to know more about the murders of the other two girls. Sometimes though, I think that some people want to blame priests just because so many were accused of sexual abuse and they're an easy target. wildcat: have you read the article about the murder of Sister Cathy on this site? It's very good. The comments are also interesting because a lot of people are having doubts about whether the priest was guilty of what he was accused of. whatliesbeyond.boards.net/thread/917/4th-update-january-1970-leave
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Post by pat on Oct 11, 2018 23:11:11 GMT -5
This week's Mystery Location whatliesbeyond.boards.net/thread/8901/mystery-location-121-october-2018?page=1&scrollTo=18176 was the church where Carol Ann Dougherty, a 9 year old girl, was murdered in in Bristol, Penn. in 1962. Catherine named the Location and said that "Carol Ann Dougherty was the first of several little girls who were murdered or went missing in Pennsylvania and New York during the '60s." Does anyone else think that maybe the same man killed Mary Theresa Simpson?
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Post by jane on Oct 20, 2018 18:03:32 GMT -5
This week's Mystery Location whatliesbeyond.boards.net/thread/8901/mystery-location-121-october-2018?page=1&scrollTo=18176 was the church where Carol Ann Dougherty, a 9 year old girl, was murdered in in Bristol, Penn. in 1962. Catherine named the Location and said that "Carol Ann Dougherty was the first of several little girls who were murdered or went missing in Pennsylvania and New York during the '60s." Does anyone else think that maybe the same man killed Mary Theresa Simpson? It seems to me that the only similarity in these murders is that the girls were all about the same age. There's a lot of distance between Bristol, Penn. and Elmira, N.Y. and there weren't all the interstate highways back then that there are today.
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Post by janet on Feb 16, 2019 21:15:42 GMT -5
The Golden State Serial Killer (Joseph DeAngelo) who has finally been caught, went to school in Bath, NY (Steuben County). He later became a police officer. But, his parents lived in Elmira NY (Chemung County which borders Steuben County) and he may have lived with them there or at a minimum visited there. I know this is a long shot but wonder if there is any possibility of obtaining his DNA for a comparison. As I recall Mary Theresa was assaulted and I also am pretty sure there is viable DNA as I believe they ran DNA of others over the years.
I was the same age as Mary Theresa Simpson and for a short period of time she went to the same school I did. She was friends with friends of mine and groups of kids would gather at my friends house where they had ping pong tables, pool table and we could play records etc. I distinctly remember Mary Theresa there and she seemed to be a very sweet, friendly girl. When I read about her murder in the newspaper it was heartbreaking and a loss of innocence in seeing this happen to a girl of my age. I believe it is the only unsolved murder in Elmira, NY.
It would be wonderful if they were finally able to solve this horrific murder and give peace and resolution to this family. This innocent child had so much life to live.
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