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Post by Graveyardbride on May 29, 2019 12:31:51 GMT -5
Stanford Murders: John Getreu, Serial Killer Two murders from the early 1970s with a connection to Stanford University have been solved. Two 21-year-old women, Leslie Marie Perlov (above right), a Stanford graduate and law student, and Janet Ann Taylor (left), the daughter of the Stanford football coach, were killed on February 13, 1973, and March 24, 1974, respectively.
Later in 1974, on October 12, Arlis Perry, the 19-year-old wife of a premed student, was slain inside Stanford Memorial Church in what appeared to be a ritualistic killing with Satanic overtones and connections to the notorious Son of Sam. DNA testing of semen found at the scene led to the June 2018 attempted arrest of Stephen Crawford, the security guard who found Perry’s body. But not everyone – and this includes investigators who worked the case – is convinced Crawford acted alone.
Forty-four years after Perlov was killed, a break finally came when Santa Clara County investigators submitted DNA from the crime scene to the genealogy website GEDMatch that led to now 74-year-old John Arthur Getreu of Hayward. The suspect was arrested and charged with the young woman’s murder on November 20, 2018. From the beginning, investigators believed the two murders were connected and following Getreu’s arrest, San Mateo County investigators wasted no time matching DNA from Taylor’s clothing to Getreu and on May 16, he was charged with the murder of Janet Taylor.
Leslie Perlov was attending Stanford Law School when her young life was cut short. On the afternoon of her disappearance, she left the North County Law Library in Palo Alto and drove into the hills, parking her 1972 orange Chevy Nova at the gate of an old quarry between Page Mill and Old Page Mill roads. From there, it is believed she walked to the northwest, where she was found buried beneath an oak tree three days later.
On the morning Janet Taylor disappeared, she left a friend’s house in Palo Alto to hitchhike to her home in nearby La Honda. The following day, a delivery driver found her body in a ditch on Sand Hill Road west of Interstate 280. She was face-down, her skirt hiked above her waist and her underwear and pantyhose stuffed into her mouth. The medical examiner determined she died of strangulation by ligature.
With Getreu now tied to two murders, police all over California are submitting evidence from old cases, believing he may be a serial killer. “It’s hard to rein in that impulse if you’re enjoying what you’re doing,” said Rick Jackson, a retired Los Angeles homicide detective whose diligence led to charges in the killing of Janet Taylor. “And he enjoyed what he was doing.”
Who is John Getreu? His known criminal history dates to 1963 when Getreu, the son of an army sergeant major, was living with his family at the army installation (now closed) near Kreuznach, Germany. On June 8, the body of Margaret L. Williams, 16, was found on a baseball diamond behind a club where she had attended a dance. Her father was an army chaplain. Investigators confirmed she had been raped and strangled. When questioned, Getreu, 18 at the time, claimed he met Williams and they had gone for a walk. He finally admitted killing the girl, but insisted, “I just wanted to knock her out.” He was convicted of the murder, however, because he was considered a juvenile under German law, he was sentenced to only 10 years and served no more than two or three years before being released and returned to the Untied States.
In 1975, Getreu was convicted of the statutory rape of an underage girl in Santa Clara County and sentenced to six months in prison with five months suspended.
When asked why Getreu killed, Jackson admitted he didn’t know, but Sharon Lucchese of Semi Valley, Claif., may have the answer. When she first saw Getreu’s mug shot, she immediately recognized him, saying, “I was looking for 50 years for that face.” Though changed considerably, she insisted his eyes looked just as they did when she was 19 and he assaulted her. Police hope the information provided by Lucchese will lead to an understanding of Getreu’s impulses and motives, which could possibly lead to the solving of additional cases.
Getreu now and then
Lucchese, now 70, was living in Hollywood when she encountered Getreu. One night in 1969 or 70, following a school ministry for young Christians, she was asked out by a man. She was apprehensive because he was older, but he had asked her in front of two elderly women, one of whom quipped, “Oh, just go have coffee. You need to represent Christ and meet people.” When she got into his car, instead of driving to a coffee shop, he headed into the Hollywood Hills and parked in a secluded spot. He then turned toward her, put his hands around her neck and began choking her. “I spent the entire night with his hands around my throat,” Lucchese recalled. He repeatedly choked her, relaxing his hands just in time. “I thought he was going to snap the tiny bones in my neck,” she said. Between the choking episodes, he would chat, seemingly to himself, saying God had given him a directive. “He said he had to kill me. He said God told him he had to kill beautiful women who were a temptation to his Christian brothers.”
As he stared into her eyes, hands on her neck, she didn’t panic, but called on the Almighty, saying, “God just let me have peace that I would survive the evening. I thought I was supposed to just stare into his eyes and keep calm.” The choking and releasing continued for hours and didn’t let up until dawn. All the while, she stared into his eyes. “For some reason, when the sun came up, he decided to let me live,” she continued.
Lucchese believes she survived for one of two reasons: Either he was hoping for fear-triggered excitement, something her calmness denied him, or after spending hours with her, perhaps he reevaluated the situation. “He decided I wasn’t the kind of girl he wanted to kill,” she explained.
Whatever the case, she got out of the car and he drove away. On the long trek home, she planned to tell the first police officer she saw. Unfortunately, she did not see a single patrol car. Though cool and collected while walking, once Lucchese got home, she became hysterical. “I just fell apart,” she remembered. “... I didn’t know there was such an evil in the world.” Because she was afraid, she did not report the assault. “I was just a dumb kid,” she admitted. Afterwards, however, she felt guilty, thinking if he murdered someone else, she could have prevented it.
It wasn’t until 1989 that she told the man she was going to marry what had happened. She later told her son, an only child, to impress upon him that one should never take chances with strangers. The assault haunted her for years. “I’d wake up at night with nightmares and see those eyes,” she said.
But what was Getreu doing between 1975 and 2018? Police do not believe Williams, Perlov, Taylor, the underage girl in 1975, and possibly Lucchese, were his only victims. Little is known about Getreu’s personal life except that he has been married at least three times and has multiple children. He was working as a medical technician near Stanford University in the early 70s where both Perlov and Taylor had been patients, an indication he may have stalked the women before killing them. Jackson admitted it is difficult to recreate an individual’s backstory after so many years, but given the nature of Getreu’s four known crimes, he said it would be naïve to think such a man had kept his nose clean all those years.
________ While the murders of Leslie Perlov and Janet Taylor have been solved, and that of Arlis Perry officially closed, the killing of David S. Levine, a 20-year-old physics student, remains open. On September 11, 1973, Levine, who was described as “tall and husky,” was seen leaving the physics department around 1 a.m. on his way to the dorms at Escondido Village where he lived. Approximately two hours later, a student out jogging found his body. There were no signs of a struggle and his wallet was in his pocket. According to the autopsy report, the young man had been stabbed 12 times in the back and once in the chest. One theory is that Levine was a victim of the Death Angels, a group of black Muslims who targeted white people in 1973 and 74. Known as the “Zebra” murders, the group murdered at least 15 people and attempted to kill eight others.Sources: Phil Luciano, The Peoria Journal-Star (Illinois), May 25, 2019; Robert Gearty, Fox News May 19, 2019; Nico Savidge, The San José Mercury-News, May 17, 2019; Richard Winton and James Queally, The Los Angeles Times, May 16, 2019; KPIX, November 26, 2018; The Stanford Daily, May 2, 1974; and The Circleville Herald (Ohio), June 11, 1963.
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Post by kitty on May 29, 2019 17:31:56 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed that some of these old killers that they're identifying through DNA sort of resemble each other? This one and Joseph DeAngelo have mouths that are turned down more than normal at the corners and their eyes are also similar.
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Post by pat on May 29, 2019 19:59:06 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed that some of these old killers that they're identifying through DNA sort of resemble each other? This one and Joseph DeAngelo have mouths that are turned down more than normal at the corners and their eyes are also similar. There is a resemblance.
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Post by stonesunturned on Nov 9, 2019 7:28:54 GMT -5
Hi, everyone! Does anyone know if police have any EVIDENCE that Getreu was "not" involved in Arlis Perry's murder? At the time of her death, they ruled out Steve Crawford and all their other suspects based on a palm print found on the candle used to assault Arlis. So, even if Steve Crawford's semen can be linked to the crime by DNA, the palm print proves their was at least one other assailant. Getreu's MO is pretty much identical, and old photos show he matched the description of the sandy-haired man reported to police by TWO different groups of witnesses. So, why don't they think Getreu is a suspect in the Perry murder??? Have they said anything about actually ruling him out?
I'm NOT interested in bandying theories. I'm only trying to find out if police have ever mentioned any particular reason for leaving Getreu out of the Perry case. That's it.
Thanks!
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Post by pat on Nov 9, 2019 13:26:25 GMT -5
Hi, everyone! Does anyone know if police have any EVIDENCE that Getreu was "not" involved in Arlis Perry's murder? At the time of her death, they ruled out Steve Crawford and all their other suspects based on a palm print found on the candle used to assault Arlis. So, even if Steve Crawford's semen can be linked to the crime by DNA, the palm print proves their was at least one other assailant. Getreu's MO is pretty much identical, and old photos show he matched the description of the sandy-haired man reported to police by TWO different groups of witnesses. So, why don't they think Getreu is a suspect in the Perry murder??? Have they said anything about actually ruling him out? I'm NOT interested in bandying theories. I'm only trying to find out if police have ever mentioned any particular reason for leaving Getreu out of the Perry case. That's it. Thanks! Since you aren't interested in "bandying theories," I will state a fact: The only evidence that a person is NOT involved in a crime is an airtight alibi. So far as that goes, there's no evidence that I wasn't involved in Arlis Perry's murder either.
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Post by stonesunturned on Nov 10, 2019 7:37:24 GMT -5
Thanks, again, but again, I'm not interested in people's theories or assumptions. I don't care whether YOU think Getreu was or wasn't involved in the Perry murder. I don't care WHY you think he can or can't be ruled out.
I'm ONLY asking if anyone knows why the POLICE don't think he was. That's all I care about.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Nov 13, 2019 15:33:43 GMT -5
John Arthur Getreu: 1970 to PresentJohn Arthur Getreu, the 74-year-old man charged in the murders of Leslie Marie Perlov and Janet Ann Taylor, was a seemingly normal family man. Born August 26, 1944, in Newark, Ohio, Getrue was a medical technician and skilled carpenter who enjoyed woodworking. He was also a Boy Scout troop leader, active in the Fremont Elks Lodge, and most of his neighbors described him as a kindly man who left Christmas presents for neighborhood children.
But Getreu had a dark side. Evan Williams, now a minister in Illinois, is the brother of Margaret L. Williams, the teenage girl Getreu raped and murdered in Germany back in 1963. “I always had this feeling I might be made aware of him committing crimes later in life,” Williams said following Getreu’s arrest last year. “The burden I carried believing that Getreu had likely murdered, raped and harmed more people was one I felt I was meant to carry until any time I might be able to have any influence in justice happening and hopefully some people being spared.”
Williams was so certain Getreu had continued killing that when the FBI renewed its efforts to find the Golden State Killer, he made law enforcement agents aware of his fears. “The search for the Golden State Killer had served me notice. My feeling about him was on the rise,” Williams explained. “I was concerned that the California authorities would not have known about [the murder] in Germany. I let them know that this man who took my sister’s life was living in California.” Even after Joseph DeAngelo was identified and charged as the Golden State Killer, Williams still wasn’t convinced Getreu wasn’t a serial killer ... and he was right.
Williams discussed how difficult it was to locate information about his sister’s killer over the years. He sought contact with some of Getreu’s former high school classmates, going so far as to purchase a copy of the 1963 Bad Kreuznach High School yearbook in which there is a photograph of a clean-shaven Getreu (above) with closely-cropped hair. Getreu, it turns out, was taking measures to cover his tracks, varying the spelling of his name, which he sometimes spelled “Getrev” and at other times “Getrew.”
While Williams had no doubt who killed his family member, Diane Perlov, the sister of Leslie Perlov, lived for decades wondering who murdered her sibling, although she had long suspected the man responsible was a serial killer. “Absolutely, I was concerned,” she told a reporter, “I knew about Arlis Perry and Janet Taylor and my sister. They were all killed around the same time at Stanford. I had always considered this to be a serial killing and I was very concerned he continued to assault other women.”
The local news media portrayed the Stanford murders as a “rash of killings,” but people – particularly young women – on and near the campus were terrified there was a mad sex killer on the loose. Diane Perlov admitted hassling Palo Alto law enforcement for 45 years, but it wasn’t until advances in DNA technology led law enforcement to Joseph DeAngelo that she became hopeful her sister’s murderer would be identified. Then when she was notified DNA collected from Leslie matched that of John Arthur Getreu, she knew she had been on the right track all along.
From 1971 until 1975, Getreu lived in the Midtown area of Palo Alto, first in an apartment on Avalon Court and then at an apartment community at 3553 Alma Street, both within walking distance of the Stanford University campus.
Rapes 17-Year-Old Girl. Another of Getreu’s victims, “Ellen Doe,” a woman he raped when she was 17-years-old, still isn’t comfortable releasing her full name. In the early 1970s, Ellen was a member of the Boy Scouts Explorer Troop – which included girls – at Covenant Presbyterian Church in Palo Alto. Even though they had no children of their own, Getreu and his first wife (whom he married in 1970) volunteered to drive Scout members to various events. “He was a friend with all of the guys and the guys were all friends with me,” Ellen recalled. “Sometimes in high school, you have a teacher who you can relate to and he was one of those styles.”
Then came that fateful mid-December night in 1974 when Ellen picked up Getreu and three Scout members to go out for pizza and a late movie. Her parents weren’t home, but her 14-year-old brother was there, however, he went to bed shortly after his sister and her guests returned. Ellen, Getreu and the three boys sat up talking until around 4:30 a.m., after which she drove them all home, dropping off Getreu first. When she returned from her trip, Getreu pulled his car into the driveway, claiming the boys were returning to her house. She invited him in, but the boys never appeared. They talked a while and during the conversation, Getreu admitted he and his wife weren’t getting along. Then he started kissing her and despite her resistance, forced her onto the sofa, at which point she threatened to yell for her brother. “Don’t do that,” Getreu warned. “I have my hand at your throat and I could hurt you.”
After he sexually assaulted her, Getreu told Ellen he was sorry. “It will never happen again,” he declared, then reminded her that telling anyone what happened “would probably ruin” her reputation. She promised she wouldn’t tell, but as soon as he left, she drove to the home of a friend, told the girl’s parents what Getreu had done and they called the police.
Getreu was arrested and charged with sexual perversion and rape by threat of great bodily harm. He pled not guilty and the defense attorney requested the court dismiss the case, claiming Ellen had been “drawing him forward.” Instead, the judge granted the prosecutor’s motion to add a charge of statutory rape.
The judge later dismissed the sexual perversion charge because the defense claimed Ellen wasn’t able to adequately recall what had transpired during the assault. A month later, Getreu agreed to a plea deal and admitted to having committed statutory rape. In May 1975, he was fined $200 and sentenced to six months in the Santa Clara County Jail, to be followed by two years probation. Nonetheless, the court suspended five months of his jail sentence and allowed him to serve the remaining 30 days on weekends.
Repeating what had happened to her to strangers was difficult for Ellen and she feels his punishment was insufficient. Still, she said she is “very glad” she told someone what happened because she was “afraid he would do this to others.”
But it wasn’t just the questions by law enforcement officers and defense attorneys that caused her grief. Getreu managed to turn other troop members against her by lying about what happened and blaming her. “He was a social engineer, talking to the boys,” she recalled. “He still had access to them – and they believed him.”
At the time of the incident, Ellen didn’t believe Getreu would kill her – despite the fact his hands were around her throat – but when he was arrested and charged with the murders of Perlov and Taylor and she learned he had raped and killed a girl in 1963, she realized just how close she had come to losing her life. “I was very surprised to learn he was a convicted murderer,” she admitted. “There was a little bit of, ‘Oh, my God – I was right,’” she continued. “He is a scary, violent man. He is scary because he hides it so well.” Upon receiving a letter from Diane Perlov requesting she make a statement to Santa Clara County prosecutors, Ellen was traumatized. “When I saw his name in writing, I couldn’t finish the letter,” she told reporters. “It took me a couple of hours to read it. I try very hard not to watch the news about him. I was not expecting that from him.”
Newark, Ohio. In 1978, Getreu and his first wife divorced and he married wife number two. The newlyweds relocated to Newark, Ohio, in 1979, and rented a house at 550 Mount Vernon Avenue. Jay Mathy, 48, became acquainted with the couple when they moved into the house next door. No one was aware of Getreu’s criminal past and Mathy described his new neighbors as “the kindest, nicest, most rational people. No sign of crazy, no sign of mental illness. I never heard them fight. They never yelled at us – and we were bad,” admitted Mathy, who was 8-years-old when Mr. and Getreu moved in. “John and [his wife] did not have children, so they would give us gifts [at Christmas], and they would come over and they would just sit,” he recalled. “I remember there was a couple New Years they came over and just hung out with us.”
Despite his past convictions for rape and murder, Getreu and his wife joined a Boy Scouts troop in Ohio. According to an article in the April 1, 1980, edition of The Newark Advocate, the two were active in the Hanta-Yo Society, an Explorers Post dedicated to teaching American Indian traditions. The society was open to all youths – boys and girls – ages 14 and older, as well as adults.
“I think it goes to the fact that you really don’t know people,” Mathy mused. “And some people are incredibly clever at concealing their past – you know, moving clear across the country, getting out of the media’s attention. The 70s were a very different time and you’ve got to remember, this is almost the same time when Ted Bundy started his killing rampage. [It] was right in the middle of the 70s, when you didn’t have the internet and you didn’t have huge amounts of communications between police departments of various communities.”
Return to California. After returning to California in the late 1980s, Getreu lived a seemingly quiet, mundane life in the East Bay area, joining various civic organizations, including the Fremont Elks Lodge, of which he is apparently still a member, and served as “exalted ruler” in 2007/08. The Lodge has refused to officially comment on Getreu, however, other members have expressed their opinions. Sharon Van Horne, Lodge chaplain, said she was surprised and shocked when Getreu was arrested because they had been close friends at one time. “He seemed okay,” she said. “He was pleasant enough to be around.”
But another member, who also declined to give her name, wasn’t quite so complimentary and described him as “creepy.”
Getreu’s second wife died of cancer in 2003 and he remarried in 2008.
Following his arrest in November 2018 for the murder of Leslie Perlov, several of Getreu’s neighbors had difficulty accepting the fact a man on their street was a serial killer. “I am so in shock. They’ve been very quiet neighbors,” one woman remarked. “We never see them come or go, nothing. We had no idea what was going on and my husband took the day off and he’s like ‘Something’s going on. There’s cops everywhere yesterday.’ It was scary because this is a really quiet neighborhood and we never have anything like this happen here.”
Another neighbor, who asked that he be identified only as “Martin,” was much less shocked. “Seen him once. It wasn’t a very pleasant encounter,” Martin recalled. “I was getting a car towed from right here and he wasn't too happy the street was blocked, so he made a point to get out, cuss out the tow truck driver and let him know how he felt about him blocking the intersection.”
Janet Ann Taylor. At this time, Getreu still hasn’t entered a plea in the Janet Taylor case, but is expected to do so at his next court appearance scheduled for Wednesday, November 20.
A pair of green corduroy pants containing Getreu’s DNA links him to the young woman’s murder. Taylor was hitchhiking home to La Honda around 7:05 p.m. on March 24, 1974, when it is believed Getreu stopped and offered her a ride. The following morning, her body was discovered in a ditch on Sand Hill Road near Manzanita Way, west of Interstate Highway 280, about 4.3 miles from where Taylor was last seen. Investigators determined she had not been raped, but there was a “sexual motivation” to the crime.
During a preliminary hearing on November 4 and 5, Rick Jackson, a retired sheriff’s homicide detective now working as a cold-case consultant for the San Mateo County Sheriff, testified that Getreu claimed to have lived in San José, Mountain View, Palo Alto and Redwood City during the 1970s. The suspect also insisted he had no knowledge of Sand Hill Road, nor did he know the hillside areas around Stanford or Janet Taylor. Nonetheless, according to Jackson, when asked if there was any reason his DNA would be found on the murdered woman, Getreu replied “not unless” he “had contact with her.”
Three Stanford Murders. During the time Getreu lived in and around Santa Clara County, there were three unsolved murders of women with a connection to Stanford University. The first was Leslie Marie Perlov on February 13, 1973; Janet Ann Taylor, killed on March 24, 1974, was the second; and the third was Arlis Perry, murdered in what many call a ritualistic slaying inside the Stanford Campus church on October 12, 1974. While investigators noted marked similarities in the cases of Perlov and Taylor, the Arlis Perry murder did not appear to have been committed by the same killer. Additionally, there is no evidence fingerprints or DNA collected at the Perry crime scene linked Getreu to the murder, however, his DNA did link him to the murders of Perlov and Taylor.Sources: Sue Dremann, PaloAltoOnline, June 21, 2019, and November 7, 2019; The Palo Alo Weekly, July 1, 2019; Varsha Vasudevan, MEAWW, November 22, 2018; Laura Anthony, KGO-TV, November 21, 2018; The Washoe County Recorder; and Clerk of Court, Santa Clara County, California.
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Post by catherine on Nov 13, 2019 19:12:04 GMT -5
The crimes he is known to have committed are a lot different from the account given by Sharon Lucchese. I don't think he was the man who attacked her.
Anyone who isn't interested in what I think doesn't have to read my post. Joanna, as the site owner, is the only one with the authority to tell people what they can and can't discuss.
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Post by Sam on Nov 14, 2019 1:23:33 GMT -5
The crimes he is known to have committed are a lot different from the account given by Sharon Lucchese. I don't think he was the man who attacked her.
Anyone who isn't interested in what I think doesn't have to read my post. Joanna, as the site owner, is the only one with the authority to tell people what they can and can't discuss. I don't think he is either. There's nothing about him being religious in anything I've read. The girl he raped, "Ellen Doe," said that he put his hand around her neck, but he didn't choke her, he just said that he could hurt her.
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Post by steve on Nov 14, 2019 1:35:12 GMT -5
I don't think he is either. There's nothing about him being religious in anything I've read. The girl he raped, "Ellen Doe," said that he put his hand around her neck, but he didn't choke her, he just said that he could hurt her. But he did choke the two other girls to death. The rapes and murders that he's known to have committed are very different from the murder of Arlis Perry also. I don't think the "sandy-haired man" was a local man. If he had been, he wouldn't have been so unconcerned about showing his face in the church, or where she worked. I haven't read "The Ultimate Evil," but the Son of Sam killer may have been telling the truth about someone going to California from Nebraska, or wherever it was, to kill Arlis Perry. She could have seen something or found out something that people were afraid she might tell.
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Post by stonesunturned on Nov 15, 2019 18:04:03 GMT -5
Additionally, there is no evidence fingerprints or DNA collected at the Perry crime scene linked Getreu to the murderSources: Sue Dremann, PaloAltoOnline, June 21, 2019, and November 7, 2019; The Palo Alo Weekly, July 1, 2019; Varsha Vasudevan, MEAWW, November 22, 2018; Laura Anthony, KGO-TV, November 21, 2018; The Washoe County Recorder; and Clerk of Court, Santa Clara County, California. Uuuuhhhh...where did you get that? You're not just assuming that, are you? I ask because, that's not what Santa Clara SO spokesperson told me just the other day. I asked, "Did you check Getreu's palm print against the palm print on the candle used to assault Arlis?" And they responded, "Why would we? That case is closed." I asked, "What evidence rules him out?" They answered, "The MO is completely different." I said, "Even if it is, is there any evidence, like fingerprints, or an alibi, that rules him out?" "The MO is completely different." They insisted that they never bothered to check, and don't intend to, on the procedural grounds that, again, "The Perry case is closed." When I pointed out that they determined, back in 1974, that CRAWFORD (and several other suspects) did not match the palm print on the candle, they just repeated, "The MO is completely different, and besides, that case is closed." It was clear that these answers were already well-rehearsed. I am not the first journalist who asked. Or at least, they anticipated being asked. There was no thinking or hesitation of any kind. Only rapid-fire answers. So, do you remember the source? Thanks!
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Post by Graveyardbride on Nov 15, 2019 20:01:21 GMT -5
Uuuuhhhh...where did you get that? You're not just assuming that, are you? I ask because, that's not what Santa Clara SO spokesperson told me just the other day. I asked, "Did you check Getreu's palm print against the palm print on the candle used to assault Arlis?" And they responded, "Why would we? That case is closed." I asked, "What evidence rules him out?" They answered, "The MO is completely different." I said, "Even if it is, is there any evidence, like fingerprints, or an alibi, that rules him out?" "The MO is completely different." They insisted that they never bothered to check, and don't intend to, on the procedural grounds that, again, "The Perry case is closed." When I pointed out that they determined, back in 1974, that CRAWFORD (and several other suspects) did not match the palm print on the candle, they just repeated, "The MO is completely different, and besides, that case is closed." It was clear that these answers were already well-rehearsed. I am not the first journalist who asked. Or at least, they anticipated being asked. There was no thinking or hesitation of any kind. Only rapid-fire answers. So, do you remember the source? Thanks! Had I been making an assumption, I would have indicated such. The information was relayed by one of the individuals, who has spoken at length with Santa Clara County law enforcement, mentioned to a third party. Furthermore, I did not say Getreu’s “palm print” did not match that found on the candle, I specifically said “there is no evidence fingerprints ... collected at the Perry crime scene linked Getreu ....” In order to match a palm print, investigators would need the palm print of the individual to whom it was being compared. In my opinion, you’re placing too much of an emphasis on this palm print, which I noticed someone else said could easily have been that of someone involved in the manufacture or packaging of the candle.
For what it’s worth, I’m not convinced Steve Crawford killed Arlis Perry, but if he was involved, I don’t believe he acted alone. Nevertheless, what is known about Getreu indicates he did act alone and his preferred method of killing was strangulation – Arlis Perry was stabbed in the back of the head with an icepick, which suggests her killer entered the church with the icepick with the intention of using it either on Arlis Perry, specifically, or a random victim.
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Post by Sam on Nov 15, 2019 22:47:59 GMT -5
Uuuuhhhh...where did you get that? You're not just assuming that, are you? I ask because, that's not what Santa Clara SO spokesperson told me just the other day. I asked, "Did you check Getreu's palm print against the palm print on the candle used to assault Arlis?" And they responded, "Why would we? That case is closed." I asked, "What evidence rules him out?" They answered, "The MO is completely different." I said, "Even if it is, is there any evidence, like fingerprints, or an alibi, that rules him out?" "The MO is completely different." They insisted that they never bothered to check, and don't intend to, on the procedural grounds that, again, "The Perry case is closed." When I pointed out that they determined, back in 1974, that CRAWFORD (and several other suspects) did not match the palm print on the candle, they just repeated, "The MO is completely different, and besides, that case is closed." It was clear that these answers were already well-rehearsed. I am not the first journalist who asked. Or at least, they anticipated being asked. There was no thinking or hesitation of any kind. Only rapid-fire answers. So, do you remember the source? Thanks! I'm in law enforcement and what you were told is kind of standard procedure. In some departments, officers are afraid to say anything without clearing it with their superiors and the bigger the department, the worse it is. Just from reading between the lines, I'd say Getreu was probably checked out as soon as they learned that he had killed before and was living in the state and the girl's brother said that he told them when they were looking for the Golden State Killer. You seem to think that he might have been the sandy-haired man, but I don't agree. He lived and worked near the campus and like the deputy sheriff that you thought might have been the sandy-haired man, he would have risked being recognized. Getreu was smart enough not to get caught for over 40 years, so he wouldn't have risked arguing with Arlis Perry a few hours before he killed her.
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Post by stonesunturned on Nov 16, 2019 6:36:11 GMT -5
"The information was relayed by one of the individuals, who has spoken at length with Santa Clara County law enforcement, mentioned to a third party."
Thanks. That's the answer to the question I asked. I didn't need the rest of it. Just that.
Like I said, SCSO told me DIRECTLY, that they did not check Getreu in any way shape or form, nor do they intend to. So, we know that either SCSO told your friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend a different story, or, your chain of hearsay has a glitch in it somewhere.
Now, I was able to find the answer to my other question I asked on this website: "Who was originally in charge of the Perry case, before Ken Kahn (who was involved from day one) took over?" The answer, if anybody cares about anything but daydreams, is, "SCSO Undersheriff (at the time) Tom Rosa."
So, let's review what we KNOW about the Arlis Perry case. Not what we used to do in the Podunk, USA Sheriff's office. Not what we heard from the grapevine. What we KNOW:
1. Tom Rosa and his colleagues at or near the top of Santa Clara County/Palo Alto law "enforcement" deliberately avoided looking for the sandy-haired man reported to them by TWO sets of pretty darned reliable witnesses. The end result: They never found him.
2. At a press conference outside Arlis's funeral service, Tom Rosa declared, "There was no cult activity of any kind related to this case. It just happened to occur in a church." So, anyone in town who MIGHT have known about some possibly dangerous cult devotees would have said, "Oh. Never mind, then." End result: IF someone in the area DID report to police that a person known to them was involved in some kind of cult stuff MIGHT have been involved in Perry's murder, then SCSO would have IGNORED such a report, because they had already made up their minds NOT to investigate any such leads. In other words, they decided, from day one, to RULE OUT any suspect who happened to be involved in cult activity.
3. AT THE TIME, investigators determined that a palm print found on the candle used to sexually assault the victim did not match several suspects, including Steve Crawford. Getreu was NOT one of those suspects. End result: That person (murderer or not) has never been found.
4. 40 plus years and no new suspects later, new fangled DNA tests, including ancestry databases, link Crawford to semen stains found at the scene of the Perry murder (and maaayyybeee on her jeans) and that link Getreu to the Taylor and Perlov murders. They decided to CLOSE the Perry case BEFORE arresting Getreu a few days later. End result: The likely second killer will never be identified, because police refuse to look.
5. Photos of Getreu as a young man STRONGLY resemble the descriptions by TWO sets of witnesses of a man acting suspiciously at Perry's workplace, and hanging around the scene of the crime minutes before it began. End result: Nothing.
6. On the excuse that "The Perry case is closed," SCSO specifically DECIDED not to check Getreu's palm prints against the evidence in the Perry case. End result: No one, including police, KNOW if he was Crawford's co-assailant, or not. And SCSO do NOT want to know. End result: If Getreu WAS involved in the Perry murder, SCSO will be the last to know about it.
That's what we KNOW. Not what we heard third or fourth hand, nor what we assume because we used to work in some other police department. What we KNOW, about THIS investigation.
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Post by catherine on Nov 16, 2019 8:12:47 GMT -5
"The information was relayed by one of the individuals, who has spoken at length with Santa Clara County law enforcement, mentioned to a third party."Thanks. That's the answer to the question I asked. I didn't need the rest of it. Just that. Like I said, SCSO told me DIRECTLY, that they did not check Getreu in any way shape or form, nor do they intend to. So, we know that either SCSO told your friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend a different story, or, your chain of hearsay has a glitch in it somewhere. Now, I was able to find the answer to my other question I asked on this website: "Who was originally in charge of the Perry case, before Ken Kahn (who was involved from day one) took over?" The answer, if anybody cares about anything but daydreams, is, "SCSO Undersheriff (at the time) Tom Rosa." So, let's review what we KNOW about the Arlis Perry case. Not what we used to do in the Podunk, USA Sheriff's office. Not what we heard from the grapevine. What we KNOW: 1. Tom Rosa and his colleagues at or near the top of Santa Clara County/Palo Alto law "enforcement" deliberately avoided looking for the sandy-haired man reported to them by TWO sets of pretty darned reliable witnesses. The end result: They never found him. 2. At a press conference outside Arlis's funeral service, Tom Rosa declared, "There was no cult activity of any kind related to this case. It just happened to occur in a church." So, anyone in town who MIGHT have known about some possibly dangerous cult devotees would have said, "Oh. Never mind, then." End result: IF someone in the area DID report to police that a person known to them was involved in some kind of cult stuff MIGHT have been involved in Perry's murder, then SCSO would have IGNORED such a report, because they had already made up their minds NOT to investigate any such leads. In other words, they decided, from day one, to RULE OUT any suspect who happened to be involved in cult activity.3. AT THE TIME, investigators determined that a palm print found on the candle used to sexually assault the victim did not match several suspects, including Steve Crawford. Getreu was NOT one of those suspects. End result: That person (murderer or not) has never been found. 4. 40 plus years and no new suspects later, new fangled DNA tests, including ancestry databases, link Crawford to semen stains found at the scene of the Perry murder (and maaayyybeee on her jeans) and that link Getreu to the Taylor and Perlov murders. They decided to CLOSE the Perry case BEFORE arresting Getreu a few days later. End result: The likely second killer will never be identified, because police refuse to look. 5. Photos of Getreu as a young man STRONGLY resemble the descriptions by TWO sets of witnesses of a man acting suspiciously at Perry's workplace, and hanging around the scene of the crime minutes before it began. End result: Nothing. 6. On the excuse that "The Perry case is closed," SCSO specifically DECIDED not to check Getreu's palm prints against the evidence in the Perry case. End result: No one, including police, KNOW if he was Crawford's co-assailant, or not. And SCSO do NOT want to know. End result: If Getreu WAS involved in the Perry murder, SCSO will be the last to know about it. That's what we KNOW. Not what we heard third or fourth hand, nor what we assume because we used to work in some other police department. What we KNOW, about THIS investigation. What's your freaking problem? This is the 2nd or 3rd time you've told people what they should and shouldn't post. NEWS FLASH: You don't give orders here! Also, what's with that "friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend" malarkey? She never said or implied any "friend" of hers or anyone else was involved. And FYI, Getreu was arrested 5 months after the Perry case was closed, not "a few days later."
That's rich coming from someone who had never even heard of John Getreu. When you first started posting on this topic, you decided, without any evidence whatsoever, that Steve Crawford's brother was the "sandy-haired man" and then when Sam mentioned Getreu, you immediately transferred your way out theories to him, but then you've made it clear that so far as you're concerned, Sam is nothing but someone from a "Podunk, USA Sheriff's office." You are in serious need of a few lessons in how to conduct yourself in online discussions because you really suck at it and that's probably the reason more people haven't commented.
If you had bothered to actually read the article, it might have dawned on you that the brother of the girl murdered in Germany told the police about Getreu way back in June of 2016 when they renewed their hunt for the Golden State Killer, but then you were too busy criticizing others and telling them what not to post.
I don't know why you think there's anything special about Tom Rosa being in charge of the investigation from the beginning, I've been knowing that since I read The Ultimate Evil years ago and I'm sure many others did, too. Obviously, people aren't as enthralled by your comments as you think they should be, but in your opinion, all we care about are "daydreams," right? The truth is your insistence that Crawford's brother might be the sandy-haired man was so ridiculous that I dismissed you as a kook and never did anything more than skim your comments.
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