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Post by demdike on Feb 20, 2018 2:42:57 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone can explain what this is. I have had it about five times over my life and I experienced it again last night.
I was struggling to sleep as my dog, who frequently wakes me up in the night so he can go out to the toilet, was waking me up every hour or so between midnight and three am. When I returned to bed after the last one, at about 3.15 (and I am well aware of the superstitions around that time) I couldn’t doze off again because my husband snoring and thrashing around really irritated me.
so,I did what I do in such situations, and went downstairs to sleep on the settee. I have done this a few times absolutely fine, and woken up as normal in the morning after decent sleep.
I was aware of myself drifting off into sleep, and started to ‘dream’. Except I was dreaming that I was on the settee in exactly the position I was. I was aware there was something in the room, and I felt cold. I couldn’t move. Then I felt myself being transported round the room. I was flipped to the corner near the external door, then to the other corner near the kitchen door. I tried to reach for the light switch but it just fizzed under my finger. I still felt frozen to the settee, and I think that what was actually happening was that I was in that dream paralysis state and pinned to the settee. I felt like I couldn’t move, but with a great effort of conscious mind, forced myself to wake up properly and shifted into normal consciousness.
A little rattled i put I put the light on, as I had just been trying to do in the odd state of consciousness, and it came on. The room was normal, the dogs were there unperturbed. So whatever had been going on I felt was just in my odd dreamlike state. I didn’t feel comfortable there any more and went back to bed. Even my thrashing snoring but warm husband was preferable to that and I tried to live with it and go back to sleep. It was hard. I was conscious of bumps, odd noises every now and then. They are probably there all the time but in my heightened state I was aware of them.
I still couldnt doze off off as I was still rattled by this experience, and looked at the clock and it was only 3.55. The whole thing had taken a lot less time than I thought.
I wondered if this was some some kind of psychic attack? The psychological explanation was it was probably just an expression of stress. But why the spirit connection? I have been stressed a lot more than five times in my life. I am good at managing stress, and after a week off work (school holiday) I am feeling refreshed. I have had about five episodes like this when I am aware of spirit in these times. I am normally open to living alongside spirit but this felt a little threatening. I have never felt like this from the ordinary spirits I feel I nubb along with in daily life, you know, the odd thing out of the corner of your eye, the feeling someone is there. I always get that and it doesn’t bother me, but this? This does.
i always recover quickly and I am not afraid of the house or going to sleep again tonight, but I wondered if anyone has had any similar experience or what anyone else’s explanation would be.
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Post by Kate on Feb 20, 2018 17:34:42 GMT -5
You've been researching the ghosts of Borley Rectory and posting about them recently. Could you have awakened some of them? Mediums claim that they can contact the dead from anywhere, perhaps others can unintentionally do the same.
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Post by demdike on Feb 21, 2018 2:06:04 GMT -5
Wow! Over the previous weekend I found Lionel’s fifteen months in a haunted house, a kind of skeleton draft of a piece by Marianne, and also read Vincent O’Neill’s account of his mother’s events, and a visit he made to the UK to see his mothers grave. I have been a bit immersed in it.
However, the spirit I felt was there was anonymous. I had no sense of it being anyone I recognised.
I have also looked up some health texts to see what that said, and I found there is a thing called sleep paralysis. Apparently when you are in the dream sleep phase of R.E.M., your body naturally paralyses itself so you don’t act out what you dream. If you partly awake during that phase, you can’t move and you are still partly dreaming. That seemed to match what i experienced, but I still don’t get why it always seems to be about spirit. Maybe that was uppermost in my mind as you say.
Speaking with my son, he said he gets it, and being an odd person, he loves it. It is all rather fascinating.
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Post by kitty on Feb 21, 2018 18:14:32 GMT -5
Wow! Over the previous weekend I found Lionel’s fifteen months in a haunted house, a kind of skeleton draft of a piece by Marianne, and also read Vincent O’Neill’s account of his mother’s events, and a visit he made to the UK to see his mothers grave. I have been a bit immersed in it. However, the spirit I felt was there was anonymous. I had no sense of it being anyone I recognised. I have also looked up some health texts to see what that said, and I found there is a thing called sleep paralysis. Apparently when you are in the dream sleep phase of R.E.M., your body naturally paralyses itself so you don’t act out what you dream. If you partly awake during that phase, you can’t move and you are still partly dreaming. That seemed to match what i experienced, but I still don’t get why it always seems to be about spirit. Maybe that was uppermost in my mind as you say. Speaking with my son, he said he gets it, and being an odd person, he loves it. It is all rather fascinating. Would you have recognized a spirit that was connected to Borley Rectory? Unless a spirit manifests or somehow lets the person it's visiting know who it is, how would anyone be able to identify the spirit?
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Post by demdike on Feb 22, 2018 3:14:03 GMT -5
Yes, I can go with that. The spirits I have ever encountered that I have felt are spirits have just been vague shapes and unidentifiable as any one so I couldn’t say one way or the other who they represented. So in this case too, I can’t say they were or weren’t. I guess they would be more likely to be connected with my home than something I had been reading about, unless they were just created by my mid dream state brain.
If one examines the theories of spirits, there are a number of ways they might manifest. And along with theories of catches in time replaying, magnetic earth vibrations, souls being trapped and all that, we also have to consider the many varied states of mind that the observer(s) will be in.
In this case I am very closely swayed by the psychological sleep paralysis explanation. It is the only State I have been in when ‘spirits’ have some kind of physical effect on you. But who is to say it wasn’t really just the effects of my brain constantly being interrupted when it was trying to rest, this me being semi awake during REM sleep, hence feeling I was dreaming but awake and therefore aware of the natural state of paralysis.
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Post by kitty on Feb 23, 2018 15:18:29 GMT -5
Wow! Over the previous weekend I found Lionel’s fifteen months in a haunted house, a kind of skeleton draft of a piece by Marianne, and also read Vincent O’Neill’s account of his mother’s events, and a visit he made to the UK to see his mothers grave. I have been a bit immersed in it. However, the spirit I felt was there was anonymous. I had no sense of it being anyone I recognised. I have also looked up some health texts to see what that said, and I found there is a thing called sleep paralysis. Apparently when you are in the dream sleep phase of R.E.M., your body naturally paralyses itself so you don’t act out what you dream. If you partly awake during that phase, you can’t move and you are still partly dreaming. That seemed to match what i experienced, but I still don’t get why it always seems to be about spirit. Maybe that was uppermost in my mind as you say. Speaking with my son, he said he gets it, and being an odd person, he loves it. It is all rather fascinating. I've never heard that sleep paralysis was to keep your body from acting out what you dream. I know that medications like antidepressants can cause it and so can not getting enough sleep. I've also heard that it's hereditary.
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Post by demdike on Feb 23, 2018 16:50:31 GMT -5
Wow! Over the previous weekend I found Lionel’s fifteen months in a haunted house, a kind of skeleton draft of a piece by Marianne, and also read Vincent O’Neill’s account of his mother’s events, and a visit he made to the UK to see his mothers grave. I have been a bit immersed in it. However, the spirit I felt was there was anonymous. I had no sense of it being anyone I recognised. I have also looked up some health texts to see what that said, and I found there is a thing called sleep paralysis. Apparently when you are in the dream sleep phase of R.E.M., your body naturally paralyses itself so you don’t act out what you dream. If you partly awake during that phase, you can’t move and you are still partly dreaming. That seemed to match what i experienced, but I still don’t get why it always seems to be about spirit. Maybe that was uppermost in my mind as you say. Speaking with my son, he said he gets it, and being an odd person, he loves it. It is all rather fascinating. I've never heard that sleep paralysis was to keep your body from acting out what you dream. I know that medications like antidepressants can cause it and so can not getting enough sleep. I've also heard that it's hereditary. I’d heard nothing about it till I researched it. It says this on this site under the heading ‘causes of sleep paralysis’ www.nhs.uk/conditions/sleep-paralysis/
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Post by madeline on Feb 27, 2018 0:40:40 GMT -5
I've had sleep paralysis off and on as far back as I can remember and I've read a lot about it. I know what the doctors say, but doctors aren't always right.
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Post by demdike on Feb 28, 2018 16:49:27 GMT -5
I've had sleep paralysis off and on as far back as I can remember and I've read a lot about it. I know what the doctors say, but doctors aren't always right. Do you have the notion there are spirits when you have it? I have had it about five or six times, and every time I have convinced there is a spirit or I am possessed by one.
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Post by kitty on Mar 1, 2018 11:05:26 GMT -5
I know that the time 3:33 is significant, but I never heard of any superstitions about 3:15.
If your dog is waking you up, why don't you just leave it outside? Most people where I live leave dogs outside at night, or where they can go in and out of a screened porch or something. A lot of people won't let them in the house at all.
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Post by jane on Mar 1, 2018 16:58:28 GMT -5
I know that the time 3:33 is significant, but I never heard of any superstitions about 3:15.
If your dog is waking you up, why don't you just leave it outside? Most people where I live leave dogs outside at night, or where they can go in and out of a screened porch or something. A lot of people won't let them in the house at all. I've read that some believe that from midnight until 3 a.m. on nights of the full moon is the "Witching Hour," although it consists of three hours, so I suppose it should be the "Witching Hours." Some also believe that 3 a.m. is "The Devil's Hour."
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Post by demdike on Mar 2, 2018 3:19:52 GMT -5
I know that the time 3:33 is significant, but I never heard of any superstitions about 3:15.
If your dog is waking you up, why don't you just leave it outside? Most people where I live leave dogs outside at night, or where they can go in and out of a screened porch or something. A lot of people won't let them in the house at all. I can’t suddenly start leaving him outside after his whole life indoors. Our dogs are indoor dogs, part of the family. 315club.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/witching-hour.html
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Post by Graveyardbride on Mar 2, 2018 4:18:40 GMT -5
I've read that some believe that from midnight until 3 a.m. on nights of the full moon is the "Witching Hour," although it consists of three hours, so I suppose it should be the "Witching Hours." Some also believe that 3 a.m. is "The Devil's Hour."
In Southern Hoodoo magic, 11:30 p.m. to 12:30 a.m. is known as “Dead Time.” The half-hour before midnight is for working positive magic and the half-hour after is for hexing and casting negative spells.
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Post by Kate on Mar 2, 2018 17:07:49 GMT -5
You also have to consider the moon when you're working spells. Positive spells have to be done during the waxing moon and negative spells during the waning moon.
I've always heard that midnight is "The Witching Hour".
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Post by pat on Mar 2, 2018 23:35:51 GMT -5
You also have to consider the moon when you're working spells. Positive spells have to be done during the waxing moon and negative spells during the waning moon.
I've always heard that midnight is "The Witching Hour". I grew up in Savannah, so I know about Southern Hoodoo and Dead Time. I never heard that the moon had to be waxing or waning for spells done in Dead Time, but I have heard of Hoodoo spells that have to be worked during the Dark of the Moon.
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