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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 16:57:15 GMT -5
Who doesn't like Dillinger? I think everyone "gets" him. Not your typical outlaw. Pretty much driven to crime and influenced by real criminals and made to be the front man because of his appeal and cool name, when mispronounced.
I think fiction books and movies blew the lid off of serial killers decades ago and everyone's been trying to put the lid back on. Some might think they're very different. But if you have any natural hidden admiration, then there has to be a little of yourself in them, or else something you wish you had that they have. Whether it's the notoriety, fame, the secret identity. I admired one killer's ability to drive 75 miles both ways in one late afternoon and evening. That's just me.
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Post by madeline on Feb 14, 2018 12:46:45 GMT -5
Who doesn't like Dillinger? I think everyone "gets" him. Not your typical outlaw. Pretty much driven to crime and influenced by real criminals and made to be the front man because of his appeal and cool name, when mispronounced. I think fiction books and movies blew the lid off of serial killers decades ago and everyone's been trying to put the lid back on. Some might think they're very different. But if you have any natural hidden admiration, then there has to be a little of yourself in them, or else something you wish you had that they have. Whether it's the notoriety, fame, the secret identity. I admired one killer's ability to drive 75 miles both ways in one late afternoon and evening. That's just me. I wouldn't say that I admire Ted Bundy, but he was something of an escape artist, like Dillinger, so I find reading about his escapes and how he was able to act so normal that most people who knew him never suspected anything interesting. Following the article, "July 14, 1974: Murder on a Sunday Afternoon," there's a discussion about how some people weren't fooled when he was pretending to have an injured arm at the lake that day, but two women were dumb enough to get in the car with him. Of course, one of them was stoned and the other was a social worker and that made them more trusting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 20:08:46 GMT -5
One good thing about this list of traits is that it reminds women not to trust people who fit the "socially okayed" stereotype. I don't really think it helps us understand serial killers but I don't want to dismiss something that someone else might not actually be aware of because they bought into some real myth - like that of the freaky, boogie man serial killer. Although, if you see one, I'd be afraid of that too. Not saying they don't or can't exist.
I guess you don't think much of those who are going so far as to call the white serial killer a myth and even the male serial killer a myth, in the title of their articles anyway. You find out their debunking a myth that never existed - that ALL serial killers are male....All are white.... Making up their own myths to debunk. Plenty of new ideas on serial killers they might want to tackle.
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Post by jason on Feb 17, 2018 22:09:01 GMT -5
One good thing about this list of traits is that it reminds women not to trust people who fit the "socially okayed" stereotype. I don't really think it helps us understand serial killers but I don't want to dismiss something that someone else might not actually be aware of because they bought into some real myth - like that of the freaky, boogie man serial killer. Although, if you see one, I'd be afraid of that too. Not saying they don't or can't exist. I guess you don't think much of those who are going so far as to call the white serial killer a myth and even the male serial killer a myth, in the title of their articles anyway. You find out their debunking a myth that never existed - that ALL serial killers are male....All are white.... Making up their own myths to debunk. Plenty of new ideas on serial killers they might want to tackle. The problem with women is that most of them who are unattached are so desperate to hook up with someone that they'll walk off with just about any man, just like Janice Ott and Denise Naslund walked off with Ted Bundy. Janice Ott was a social worker and they don't have the sense God promised a billy goat, but it was different with Denise Naslund. I still don't understand why she agreed to get into his car and go with him to wherever he claimed his sailboat was when she had a boyfriend and two other friends waiting for her. She had just gone to the bathroom and should have been back shortly. I know that she was stoned, or drunk, or both, but still, the normal thing to do would be to go back and tell the others she was going to help someone with his sailboat. Yet, she just left with him without her purse, a towel, or anything else. Very strange.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 19:12:06 GMT -5
I find there are other reasons people blindly walk into dangerous situations.
Some are quicker to act and always throw caution to the wind. Some see the task and only the task and can’t or won’t see the danger. A few think they're the proverbial “untouchable toff” and can walk into any neighbourhood or down any dark alley. I know a woman who wanted to take a shortcut that way. She trusted the cavalry to come and I’m sure they would but I didn’t trust they’d show up in time.
Sometimes I think there’s a dance of death going on.
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Post by jane on Feb 19, 2018 20:17:29 GMT -5
I find there are other reasons people blindly walk into dangerous situations. Some are quicker to act and always throw caution to the wind. Some see the task and only the task and can’t or won’t see the danger. A few think their the proverbial “untouchable toff” and can walk into any neighbourhood or down any dark alley. I know a woman who wanted to take a shortcut that way. She trusted the cavalry to come and I’m sure they would but I didn’t trust they’d show up in time. Sometimes I think there’s a dance of death going on. People become more cautious with age. Young people today, teens and those in their 20's, don't think they'll ever die because most of them have never seen death and can't relate to it. They are also a lot more dependent on the law and the government. They think that anything that happens is somebody else's fault, so they depend on someone in authority to save them instead of taking responsibility for their own safety.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 13:45:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't be a good profiler because I would have a hard time separating the man from their crimes.
I don't admire criminals like serial killers, but I can see where some folks might admire them and I think that we have some folks in this group that kind of admire Ted Bundy, not the murders, but other things about him, like how he went so long without getting caught and how he escaped twice from jail. I admit that even I admire John Dillinger because of his daring escapes.... Have you ever been interested in the differences between serial killers versus other criminals when it comes to "resisting arrest"? I don't really find that Serial Killers are as resistant or all that resistant at all. Ted Bundy did resist arrest and try to get away and have a brief struggle with the police. But most of them go willingly and quietly. I only recall one involved in a shootout with police. Does it have anything to do with their interest or could you say admiration of the police? books.google.ca/bundy+arrest+florida+stolen
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Post by Sam on Feb 21, 2018 4:49:22 GMT -5
Have you ever been interested in the differences between serial killers versus other criminals when it comes to "resisting arrest"? I don't really find that Serial Killers are as resistant or all that resistant at all. Ted Bundy did resist arrest and try to get away and have a brief struggle with the police. But most of them go willingly and quietly. I only recall one involved in a shootout with police. Does it have anything to do with their interest or could you say admiration of the police? [a href="https://books.google.ca/books? The only serial killer that I can think of right off who resisted arrest is that one years ago from Florida. His name was Christopher Wilder and he was shot and killed up in New Hampshire.
I haven't studied Bundy like some have, but I don't think that he resisted arrest when he was caught that time after escaping in Colorado. I've heard that the reason he resisted arrest when he was stopped by the police in Florida was because he wanted to be shot and killed, but I don't know if he ever said that, or if that was just someone's opinion.
Some author, or maybe it was one of his lawyers, said that Bundy once asked which state would be the most likely to execute someone and he told him Florida and that was the reason he went to Florida. But I've also heard that Bundy said that he never asked the man that and that he went to Florida because it was warm and he was tired of the cold in Colorado. Bundy didn't always tell the truth, but I don't think he was lying about that. You can't always believe what folks say about things after the fact.
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Post by eyewitness on Mar 10, 2018 19:47:05 GMT -5
Have you ever been interested in the differences between serial killers versus other criminals when it comes to "resisting arrest"? I don't really find that Serial Killers are as resistant or all that resistant at all. Ted Bundy did resist arrest and try to get away and have a brief struggle with the police. But most of them go willingly and quietly. I only recall one involved in a shootout with police. Does it have anything to do with their interest or could you say admiration of the police? [a href="https://books.google.ca/books? The only serial killer that I can think of right off who resisted arrest is that one years ago from Florida. His name was Christopher Wilder and he was shot and killed up in New Hampshire.
I haven't studied Bundy like some have, but I don't think that he resisted arrest when he was caught that time after escaping in Colorado. I've heard that the reason he resisted arrest when he was stopped by the police in Florida was because he wanted to be shot and killed, but I don't know if he ever said that, or if that was just someone's opinion.
Some author, or maybe it was one of his lawyers, said that Bundy once asked which state would be the most likely to execute someone and he told him Florida and that was the reason he went to Florida. But I've also heard that Bundy said that he never asked the man that and that he went to Florida because it was warm and he was tired of the cold in Colorado. Bundy didn't always tell the truth, but I don't think he was lying about that. You can't always believe what folks say about things after the fact.
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Post by steve on Mar 27, 2018 18:22:19 GMT -5
The only serial killer that I can think of right off who resisted arrest is that one years ago from Florida. His name was Christopher Wilder and he was shot and killed up in New Hampshire.
I haven't studied Bundy like some have, but I don't think that he resisted arrest when he was caught that time after escaping in Colorado. I've heard that the reason he resisted arrest when he was stopped by the police in Florida was because he wanted to be shot and killed, but I don't know if he ever said that, or if that was just someone's opinion.
Some author, or maybe it was one of his lawyers, said that Bundy once asked which state would be the most likely to execute someone and he told him Florida and that was the reason he went to Florida. But I've also heard that Bundy said that he never asked the man that and that he went to Florida because it was warm and he was tired of the cold in Colorado. Bundy didn't always tell the truth, but I don't think he was lying about that. You can't always believe what folks say about things after the fact.
You just copied what vquest and Sam said, but you didn't add anything to it. Is that what you meant to do?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 19:07:26 GMT -5
I always have a problem posting with a quote especially after deleting some of it. Then the curser won’t go outside the quote. .
Serial killers like to hang with cops and vice versa. Ann Rule was a cop. She did report Bundy. Kemper hung out with cops. They must have sensed he was no danger to them. That's probably because he didn't go after the strong, not just because he wanted to get away with murder. Kemper, or "Big Ed" as the police called him, turned himself in after he killed his mother and her friend.
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Post by kitty on Mar 28, 2018 6:44:57 GMT -5
Eyewitness is a smart guy or gal. How's that? He or she didn't say anything.
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Post by catherine on Aug 13, 2018 0:05:13 GMT -5
I just read something on another site about the two sadistic SOBs known as The Tool Box Killers and discovered that despite what they did, they're still living it up in prison in California (where else?). I thought of all the posts we've had here about serial killers: what makes men serial killers, the Triad of indicators, their occupations and other crap that's a complete waste of time. It doesn't matter what causes them to abduct, torture and kill women, or children, or other men. As soon as it's discovered that there's something seriously wrong with them, they should be put to death.
One day, someone in authority is going to wake up and ask why we're wasting billions of dollars on these worthless excuses for human beings and say enough is enough. People who have any sympathy for serial sex killers or want to figure out what causes them to kill needs to listen to the tape Lawrencre Bittaker and Roy Norris made while they were torturing Shirley Lynette Ledford, who was only 16. They used pliers on her private parts and crushed her elbow repeatedly with a sledgehammer to make her scream. After hearing her bloodcurdling screams, which are 10 times worse than anything you will ever hear in a slasher movie because her screams are real, any normal person would be ready to kill those two pieces of garbage themselves.
Norris, who is 69 now, got a life sentence for testifying against Bittaker, who is now 77. Bittaker got the death penalty, so he has his own private cell at San Quentin and will live out his life in comfort with access to the best medical care. Someone should take a pair of pliers to his dick and make him scream the way he made those 5 girls, one of which was only 13, scream.
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Post by jane on Aug 13, 2018 0:39:18 GMT -5
I just read something on another site about the two sadistic SOBs known as The Tool Box Killers and discovered that despite what they did, they're still living it up in prison in California (where else?). I thought of all the posts we've had here about serial killers: what makes men serial killers, the Triad of indicators, their occupations and other crap that's a complete waste of time. It doesn't matter what causes them to abduct, torture and kill women, or children, or other men. As soon as it's discovered that there's something seriously wrong with them, they should be put to death.
One day, someone in authority is going to wake up and ask why we're wasting billions of dollars on these worthless excuses for human beings and say enough is enough. People who have any sympathy for serial sex killers or want to figure out what causes them to kill needs to listen to the tape Lawrencre Bittaker and Roy Norris made while they were torturing Shirley Lynette Ledford, who was only 16. They used pliers on her private parts and crushed her elbow repeatedly with a sledgehammer to make her scream. After hearing her bloodcurdling screams, which are 10 times worse than anything you will ever hear in a slasher movie because her screams are real, any normal person would be ready to kill those two pieces of garbage themselves.
Norris, who is 69 now, got a life sentence for testifying against Bittaker, who is now 77. Bittaker got the death penalty, so he has his own private cell at San Quentin and will live out his life in comfort with access to the best medical care. Someone should take a pair of pliers to his dick and make him scream the way he made those 5 girls, one of which was only 13, scream. I agree, Catherine. There have always been men who raped and killed, but one reason there are more today is because in the past, most boys who showed a propensity for things like rape and torture didn't make it to adulthood. When I was a child, I remember hearing adults talk about boys they knew growing up who did things like set fires, kill someone's livestock, or were caught assaulting a child and one day, they just weren't around anymore. Some of them were sent to reformatory schools or lunatic asylums, but it wasn't unusual for a problem kid to suddenly die of some sort of "accident."
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Post by Isbeau on Aug 13, 2018 2:02:37 GMT -5
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