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Post by catherine on Sept 13, 2019 15:09:30 GMT -5
I temporarily picked a forum avatar. The timing is okay for Raul but Zodiac had no accent. I see it as a clear case of non-“ethnicity” even if it is California. There are several lovers’ lane/parked couples shooters for comparison purposes, one solved — Son of Sam, Monster of Florence, Phantom Killer. Who is Raul? And how do you know the Zodiac had no accent?
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Post by steve on Sept 14, 2019 1:08:46 GMT -5
Raul is Jason’s suspect, Raul Cruz. At least six people heard the Zodiac talk, on the phone and in person, two police talked to him and hear him when he wasn’t wearing a mask. Jason's suspect is Rafael, not Raul.
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Post by Isbeau on Sept 21, 2019 11:28:07 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing the Zodiac was a drifter. I think I agree with you now. I think my suspect should be Richard Gaikowski. Zodiac fits with the criminal (racial?) profile of Ted Kaczynski. Both were interested in math and specifically geometry and ciphers. ciphermysteries.com/2013/03/31/the-unabomber-cipher-journal They were also both interested in bombs, just like New York's Mad City Bomber, George Metesky.
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Post by Isbeau on Sept 22, 2019 16:28:40 GMT -5
The theory linking the Zodiac to the Santa Barbara and the San Diego killings of 4 teenagers would explain the clues in the Halloween Card that researchers online have correctly determined are clues planted by the killer. I'm talking about the Okay sign with the 14 in the hand and the "4-Teen" on the other side (and is that a "4" in the right eye?). The Okay sign is often interpreted to have something to do with the number 6 etc. with the other fingers referring to 3. Do you see what I mean? www.zodiacciphers.com/the-halloween-card.htmlOkay. Richard Gaikowski was born March 14, 1936. So the numbers were right. You got the 3 and the 6 in the Okay and the 14 in the 14 and the 4-teen. Others saw birthdates and it seems they were right.
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Post by jason on Sept 22, 2019 23:02:14 GMT -5
Okay. Richard Gaikowski was born March 14, 1936. So the numbers were right. You got the 3 and the 6 in the Okay and the 14 in the 4-teen. Others saw birthdates and it seems they were right. What are you talking about?
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Post by Isbeau on Sept 26, 2019 15:11:16 GMT -5
Can you fit Rafael Cruz into the code?
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Post by Isbeau on Sept 27, 2019 13:49:16 GMT -5
Rafael was born March 22, 1939. How would you squeeze that in? Donald Bujok was born July 6, 1936 and they’ve fit that in with the front and back of the Zodiac Halloween card. But now I think the symbols and codes are reading March 14. I don’t know if that’s been said about the M with the extra line and 4 dots but it has been said online for a decade by Zodiac researchers about the Okay sign with the 14.
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Post by madeline on Sept 27, 2019 14:00:38 GMT -5
Rafael was born March 22, 1939. How would you squeeze that in? Donald Bujok was born July 6, 1936 and they’ve fit that in with the front and back of the Zodiac Halloween card. But now I think the symbols and codes are reading March 14. If you explained what you're talking about, people would be able to comment. I've never heard of Zodiac Halloween cards.
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Post by steve on Sept 27, 2019 18:18:56 GMT -5
Rafael was born March 22, 1939. How would you squeeze that in? Donald Bujok was born July 6, 1936 and they’ve fit that in with the front and back of the Zodiac Halloween card. But now I think the symbols and codes are reading March 14. I don’t know if that’s been said about the M with the extra line and 4 dots but it has been said online for a decade by Zodiac researchers about the Okay sign with the 14. I agree with Madeline. You need to explain what you mean. I've never heard of Zodiac Halloween cards either. Tell us what you think the codes mean and we can discuss whether we agree, or if we interpret them in a different way.
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Post by Isbeau on Sept 27, 2019 20:16:54 GMT -5
I originally suggested the “4-teen” meant 4 teenagers because suspect George Gill was suspected of killing 4 teenagers. No one said anything and that was pretty obtuse as well as being wrong. I was just correcting myself and saying 14 means March 14. The 3 fingers of the OK is still 3 so 3-14. I’m not interested anymore although I did have fun with the online Zodiac cipher search gadgets and looking for different solutions. This 340 cipher gadget is fun. zodiackillerciphers.com/word-search-gadget-earlvanbest/It was invented to try to prove that you can find any name you want in the cipher. But since the cipher is unsolved and is probably fake, then he either randomly put in the symbols or he inserted names and words randomly like ZODAIK at the bottom. All the victims names can be found using this gadget, as I recall, first and last names separately with maybe Darlene's last name misspelled, which I think defies the odds. So why wouldn't his real name? Maybe I'll try Rafael and Cruz sometime.
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Post by Sam on Sept 28, 2019 1:51:07 GMT -5
I was just correcting myself and saying 14 means March 14. The 3 fingers of the OK is still 3 so 3-14. I would have said the 3 fingers and the OK sign indicate 30, not 3.
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Post by Isbeau on Sept 28, 2019 17:55:56 GMT -5
A 30 and the 14 can be years or days.
You would still need a month so a number from 1-12 or an initial for a specific month or maybe go with October since it’s Halloween. That’s why I went with 14-3-1936.
Some think the numbers like 14 mean number of victims. But he was all over the place with that tally.
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Post by Sam on Sept 28, 2019 23:00:21 GMT -5
A 30 and the 14 can be years or days. You would still need a month so a number from 1-12 or an initial for a specific month or maybe go with October since it’s Halloween. That’s why I went with 14-3-1936. Some think the numbers like 14 mean number of victims. But he was all over the place with that tally.
Why do you think the clue is a person's birth date? The 30 could mean there are 30 bones in each of the arms and legs, and 4 x 30 is 120, which could be reduced to 12, or 1+ 2 = 3. Or if it just refers to the arms, 30 + 30 = 6.
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Post by Isbeau on Sept 29, 2019 13:45:26 GMT -5
You could be right, Sam, at least with it not being a birthday. I'm willing to go with 14 as the number of victims and not a birthday. Richard Gaikowski called himself Dick so I can see a joke there with the bones and the pumpkin covering the skeleton. The point is the codes and symbols need a key and one of the keys, if not the main or only one, is the identity of the killer. If that's the only key as in identifying a fingerprint, then you need a suspect for comparison. Now they have his DNA and they don't need a suspect. They just put his DNA data in a Genealogical database and hire a genealogist to look at the family trees and practically hand them the suspect. I like the old fashion way of finding a suspect through detective work and going through the process of elimination and then doing the DNA. Amateur sleuths have gone over cold cases and come up with suspects, and use their suspect to decipher the messages. Even if their suspect is wrong, the methods may be right. And their method may be wrong, but their suspect may be right. There was a "13 hole punch card" sent which the grandson of a NY cop said pointed to Donald Bujok because it was allegedly sent 13 years to the day after he killed a cop - www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/thirteen-holes-in-time .Quite a coincidence but I don't think it was Bujok even if the Halloween Card says Boo! These theorists can be very persuasive and fortunately I'm good now getting myself out of the rabbit holes one gets into in these unsolved mysteries, and seeing who and what is right. PS. The MED in DOOMED is emphasized and followed by an exclamation mark and there's an eye drawn like a C nearby making MED!C, and Dick Gaikowski was a medic in the army.
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