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Post by Joanna on May 28, 2015 16:08:56 GMT -5
New Lead in Natalee Holloway DisappearanceIt’s been 10 years since Natalee Holloway vanished while on a high school graduation trip to Aruba, and after a decade of false hopes and dead ends, her father has never stopped looking for her. Natalee was last seen leaving a nightclub with three men – two brothers and Joran van der Sloot, then 17. At first, the men told police they dropped the girl off at her hotel. Then, the brothers said they took her and van der Sloot to a different hotel. Van der Sloot said he left Natalee on the beach.
Hundreds of tourists and locals joined the search for Natalee Holloway and for months, international media covered the case. But despite the effort and attention, the case went cold. Van der Sloot, now in a Peruvian prison after being convicted of murdering Stephany Flores in 2010, has never been charged in Natalee’s disappearance.
Dave Holloway believes his daughter was the victim of foul play and that her body was thrown into the ocean. Recently, he received a tip from a man claiming to have seen van der Sloot carrying Natalee’s body on the night she disappeared. Years ago, Holloway received a call from the alleged witness, Jurrien de Jong, asserting his daughter was not in the ocean, but on land. Holloway originally ignored the call, one of many he received at the time from people claiming to know the whereabouts of his daughter. Recently, the distraught father sat down with CNN’s Martin Savidge in Meridian, Miss., to talk about the latest development. Following is a portion of that interview, edited for brevity and clarity.
CNN’s Martin Savidge: What did de Jong describe in his conversations with you?
Holloway: He says that a car pulls up and Joran and Natalee get out of the vehicle. This is on May 30, (2005) and this vehicle pulls into the parking lot at the Marriott hotel, and you can see a construction site and you can see the Holiday Inn ... and this area is enclosed with a chained fence. He says that Natalee says, “Well the gate’s locked,” and (Van der Sloot) says something about, “Well I know a trick,” and somehow he, I guess, unwraps the chain and they go in....
Then he sees them go across the construction site, and they get up on the platform, which I presume to be the foundation of the Spyglass Tower, and they run up to an area that’s got half of a stairway built and they go up that and he loses sight of them. Then, approximately five minutes later he says they emerge with Joran carrying Natalee in his arms and apparently he knew that she was not living. He put her down on the concrete slab and then jumped down off of it and put her body down on the ground and then went and dug an opening under the slab and then put her body in it and then covered it back up and walked out.
Savidge: The Marriott has at least told the authorities down there that there wasn’t construction or any significant construction of which the witness described.
Holloway: I can tell you for a fact. I was there on June 1, and there was definitely construction in that area. June 1, 2005, because it was all chained up. And that’s one of the areas we never searched because we assumed it’s locked up and secured at all times, and they have construction workers there on site. It was something we assumed that that would never need to be searched and it wasn’t.
Savidge: What changed your perception of de Jong and his story?
Holloway: Well I kept looking at it and looking at the facts and what he said, and I thought, man, I can’t go here because I’ve gone through so many of these where they had details and facts and it turned out to be nothing … I called TJ Ward, (a private investigator), and said, “TJ I need a second opinion on this guy.”
I said, “Can you look at this guy and talk to him and see what you think?” and so he did, and a couple of days later he called me back and said, “Hey, Dave, the guy passed this voice analysis test.”
“I thought ‘Oh my gosh,’ and then I started digging more and more into it. I’m thinking maybe there’s something to this, but I told TJ, I’m not going to get my hopes up. ... We had the opportunity about three weeks ago to go to Aruba and check this out and we did with a cadaver dog. We were kind of blocked in the areas that we wanted to do the search so it was kind of a failed mission I guess, so to speak.”
Savidge: What were you hoping for?
Holloway: Maybe to get lucky, you know? And see and put this to rest.
Savidge: Did de Jong ever ask you for money?
Holloway: No.
Savidge: Do you believe his story?
Holloway: I want to believe it, but I don’t want to get myself into a situation where I put all the marbles into this story and then it doesn’t pan out and then I’m in a situation mentally where it’s going to take a while to get over so I’m just cautiously watching and thinking, “How does this story fit in with what he is saying?”
Savidge: What would you like to see happen next?
Holloway: I would like to see that area in question is searched by a dog.
Savidge: Do you get the sense that people, at least, in Aruba would just like this to go away?
Holloway: Oh, I believe that absolutely.
Savidge: Is there ever a point you stop?
Holloway: No. As a parent you’ll never stop. Never. I mean, your child is off in a foreign country and you want to bring her back home, and I’ve got the means and the ability to go down there and check and do it, and if I’m willing and able to do it, then I always will.
Savidge: You think about Natalee every day?
Holloway: Yeah. It always passes your mind. More so now with this new lead.
Editor’s note: CNN’s Martin Savidge received this statement from Jeff Flaherty, in Global Corporate Relations at Marriott International: “As we have done all along, we cooperate fully with the authorities whenever they are conducting an official investigation.”Source: KTLA News, May 28, 2015, and Fox News.
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Post by jason on May 29, 2015 0:03:41 GMT -5
When Van der Sloot was arrested and charged with the murder of the woman in Peru, he confessed and later on, he tried to bargain with officials to serve his 28 years in prison in Aruba in exchange for revealing where Natalee Holloway was buried.
Of course, some stupid woman married Van der Sloot in prison. I've asked this question before, but have never gotten a satisfactory answer. I'd really like to know why some women are so freaking stupid that they write to and marry murderers in prison and stay with men who abduct them even when they're free to leave like that crazy Colleen Stan in California. |
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Post by asixxdionysia on Aug 17, 2021 0:25:09 GMT -5
When Van der Sloot was arrested and charged with the murder of the woman in Peru, he confessed and later on, he tried to bargain with officials to serve his 28 years in prison in Aruba in exchange for revealing where Natalee Holloway was buried.
Of course, some stupid woman married Van der Sloot in prison. I've asked this question before, but have never gotten a satisfactory answer. I'd really like to know why some women are so freaking stupid that they write to and marry murderers in prison and stay with men who abduct them even when they're free to leave like that crazy Colleen Stan in California. It's also believed that he murdered the girl in Peru because he caught her snooping in his laptop and there was something in there about the natalee Holloway case which he thought she found. The police determined that yes there was a search about the Natalee Holloway case from the laptop but it was done before she entered his room. So who knows. And to answer your question.... its probably a combination of low self esteem, bad parenting and wanting their 15 minutes of fame.... best answer I've ever come up with. And I am a woman... |
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Post by steve on Aug 17, 2021 3:57:33 GMT -5
It's also believed that he murdered the girl in Peru because he caught her snooping in his laptop and there was something in there about the natalee Holloway case which he thought she found. The police determined that yes there was a search about the Natalee Holloway case from the laptop but it was done before she entered his room. So who knows. And to answer your question.... its probably a combination of low self esteem, bad parenting and wanting their 15 minutes of fame.... best answer I've ever come up with. And I am a woman... I'm not sure about the women who stay with their captors when they have a chance to escape, but the women who write to and marry men in prison, like that crazy Boone woman who married Ted Bundy, have what I would call lion tamer syndrome. They're like people who own pit bulls and other dangerous dogs, they want to show everyone that they can tame a dangerous man like the pit bull owners want to show people they can tame a badass dog. |
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Post by asixxdionysia on Sept 13, 2021 1:54:37 GMT -5
It's also believed that he murdered the girl in Peru because he caught her snooping in his laptop and there was something in there about the natalee Holloway case which he thought she found. The police determined that yes there was a search about the Natalee Holloway case from the laptop but it was done before she entered his room. So who knows. And to answer your question.... its probably a combination of low self esteem, bad parenting and wanting their 15 minutes of fame.... best answer I've ever come up with. And I am a woman... I'm not sure about the women who stay with their captors when they have a chance to escape, but the women who write to and marry men in prison, like that crazy Boone woman who married Ted Bundy, have what I would call lion tamer syndrome. They're like people who own pit bulls and other dangerous dogs, they want to show everyone that they can tame a dangerous man like the pit bull owners want to show people they can tame a badass dog. Well I can tell you right now I'm raising a pit bull and he is a sweet boy. But the lion tamer thing makes sense for that kind of woman. But there's a difference here... I raised mine since he was a puppy. They're trying to "tame" an adult. It's like that saying, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Anyone with half a brain can see she's not gonna change him. So she's either fooling herself to prove something or trying to fool us cause she wants to be famous or make money from it right? |
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Post by catherine on Sept 13, 2021 2:07:17 GMT -5
Well I can tell you right now I'm raising a pit bull and he is a sweet boy. But the lion tamer thing makes sense for that kind of woman. But there's a difference here... I raised mine since he was a puppy. They're trying to "tame" an adult. It's like that saying, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Anyone with half a brain can see she's not gonna change him. So she's either fooling herself to prove something or trying to fool us cause she wants to be famous or make money from it right? |
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Post by asixxdionysia on Sept 13, 2021 2:27:48 GMT -5
Well I can tell you right now I'm raising a pit bull and he is a sweet boy. But the lion tamer thing makes sense for that kind of woman. But there's a difference here... I raised mine since he was a puppy. They're trying to "tame" an adult. It's like that saying, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Anyone with half a brain can see she's not gonna change him. So she's either fooling herself to prove something or trying to fool us cause she wants to be famous or make money from it right? It happens with ALL dangerous breeds. Including pit bulls. Both for "no reason" and because someone aggravated the Dog. But I also live out in the middle of nowhere and don't keep a lot of company out here. I know that children can agitate dogs and it can be worse if it's a dangerous breed. So im not stupid. I don't bring children here unless he's locked in his section of the yard. Cause even if they don't bother him, he could still snap. Same thing with adults. He goes in his yard. My "neighbors" are all spaced far and I live on a private drive. No one random I dont know is gonna walk by or come into my house. If they do and are attacked by Remy? Well that's on them, they're clearly not supposed to be there and are up to no good. |
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Post by catherine on Sept 13, 2021 2:45:02 GMT -5
It happens with ALL dangerous breeds. Including pit bulls. Both for "no reason" and because someone aggravated the Dog. But I also live out in the middle of nowhere and don't keep a lot of company out here. I know that children can agitate dogs and it can be worse if it's a dangerous breed. So im not stupid. I don't bring children here unless he's locked in his section of the yard. Cause even if they don't bother him, he could still snap. Same thing with adults. He goes in his yard. My "neighbors" are all spaced far and I live on a private drive. No one random I dont know is gonna walk by or come into my house. If they do and are attacked by Remy? Well that's on them, they're clearly not supposed to be there and are up to no good.
Still pit bulls are much, much worse than all the other "dangerous breeds" combined. So far this year, dogs have murdered 31 Americans and 24 (77%) of the killers were pit bulls and the year isn't over. The other killer canines so far this year include 4 Rottweilers, 1 American bulldog and an unknown breed (probably a pit bull). Last year, dogs in the US killed 45 people and 38 (84%) of the killers were pit bulls.
I can't believe you would actually say: "No one random I dont know is gonna walk by or come into my house. If they do and are attacked by Remy? Well that's on them, they're clearly not supposed to be there and are up to no good."
People have a right to walk by anyone's house they choose and if I were walking by your house and "Remy" came after me, you'd have a dead dog on your hands because I'd shoot the POS! I HATE damned dogs!
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Post by JoannaL on Sept 13, 2021 2:47:52 GMT -5
I knew this was going to get out of hand. Catherine and asixxdionysia, this discussion isn't about pit bulls. Either stay on topic or I will lock the thread.
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Post by Graveyardbride on May 11, 2023 1:43:24 GMT -5
Joran van der Sloot to Be Extradited to US from Peru
Joran van der Sloot, prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, is to be extradited to the United States from Peru, where he is serving a 28-year sentence for the 2010 murder of Stephany Flores-Ramirez, a 21-year-old Peruvian. According to Peruvian authorities, he will be handed over temporarily “for his prosecution in the United States for the alleged commission of the crimes of extortion and fraud, to the grievance of Elizabeth Ann Holloway.”
Upon learning of the extradition, Mrs. Holloway remarked, “Almost exactly 18 years later, her perpetrator, Joran van der Sloot, has been extradited to Birmingham to answer for his crimes.”
Natalee Holloway, 18, of Mountain Brook, Alabama, was reported missing when she failed to appear for her flight home from Aruba on May 30, 2005. The case garnered worldwide attention, sparking a media frenzy.
Van der Sloot, born August 6, 1987, in the Netherlands, relocated with his family to Aruba, a Dutch island, at a young age, and was at one time an honors student and talented tennis player. However, as a teenager, he often sneaked out of the house at night to frequent local casinos. Also, many who knew him, including a former girlfriend, described him as a compulsive liar.
During the early morning hours of May 30, 2005, Natalee was seen getting into a car with van der Sloot, who was 17 at the time, and two of his friends, Deepak and Satish Kalpose, brothers aged 21 and 18, respectively. After the girl was reported missing, the Kalpoe brothers insisted they had nothing to do with her disappearance, alleging that after “shark-watching” at the beach, they dropped her at her hotel.
In 2008, van der Sloot, who had returned to the Netherlands, admitted on camera that he’d killed Natalee Holloway. Speaking to a convicted drug dealer who had been paid to secretly record him, the suspect said he and the girl had been having sex on a beach when she suddenly had a seizure and lost consciousness, after which he had a friend toss her into the ocean. Confronted with the tape, he claimed he had been lying to impress the other man.
Nonetheless, van der Sloot continued to suggest he knew what had happened to the missing American girl, telling conflicting stories. On one occasion, he claimed she died accidentally, another time he admitted killing her, and at one point, said he sold her into sexual slavery. Still he wasn’t arrested.
He likely would have gotten away with his crimes relating to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway had members of staff at the Hotel Tac in Lima, Peru, not found a decomposing corpse in Room 309 on June 2, 2010. The room was registered to van der Sloot and the body, which by that time was stinking to high heaven, was that of 21-year-old Stephany Flores, the daughter of the owner of a casino where van der Sloot had been gambling. She had gone missing May 30, 2010, – five years to the day after the Natalee’s disappearance in Aruba. After killing Flores, van der Sloot took money and credit cards from her purse and fled Peru for Chile, where he was arrested.
The Dutchman later admitted to police that after choking and battering the young student, he smothered her with a bloody shirt so she wouldn’t be able to report the incident, claiming the murder was an “impulsive act.” However, in another version of what transpired, van der Sloot told police he and Flores had been playing poker in his room when a message regarding Natalee Holloway popped up on his computer. Flores saw it, became upset and struck him, which prompted him to hit her in the face with his elbow, grab her by the throat and bash her head against the wall. “I didn’t want to do it,” he insisted in one interview. “The girl intruded in my life.” A postmortem examination revealed that in addition to having been battered and strangled, Stephany Flores suffered a broken neck, an indication the attack was violent in the extreme.
The Peruvian ambassador to the United States said he hopes “this action will enable a process that will help to bring peace to Mrs. Holloway and to her family, who are grieving in the same way that the Flores family in Peru is grieving for the loss of their daughter.”
At this time, it isn’t known what charges he will face in the United States.
Sources: Louis Casiano, Fox News, May 10, 2023; The Associated Press, May 11, 2023; Russell Goldman, ABC News, June 15, 2010, and Kaleena Fraga and Jaclyn Anglis, ATI, September 2, 2022.
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Post by catherine on May 11, 2023 3:04:47 GMT -5
Although I don't understand how he can be charged in the US for a crime he committed in Aruba, at least that fiend is going to face charges for something related to the murder. Whether or not anything comes of it remains to be seen.
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Post by Graveyardbride on May 13, 2023 15:54:01 GMT -5
Van der Sloot Charged with Extortion and Wire FraudAccording to the indictment, Joran van der Sloot, prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, is charged with extortion and wire fraud. During the investigation, van der Sloot contacted Elizabeth “Beth” Holloway, Natalee’s mother, through her attorney, John Kelly, and offered to reveal how her daughter died and the location of her remains in exchange for $250,000, with an initial payment of $25,000. “It is further part of the scheme and artifice that after receiving the sum of $10,000 in cash from Mr. Kelly and assurances that Beth Holloway would immediately wire-transfer an additional sum of $15,000 into his bank account, the defendant would and did accompany Mr. Kelly to a specific location in Aruba, and did identify that location as the site where Natalee Holloway’s remains were buried. This information, as the defendant knew, was false,” the indictment reads.
Jay Town, former U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama, explained that once van der Sloot arrives in Alabama, he will “stay here until he is sentenced. The moment he is sentenced though, he is sent back to Peru to serve out the remainder of his murder sentence down there, which, if he is not paroled or released early, that is 2040. When he is released from the Peruvian prison, he is then extradited back to the United States, to a Bureau of Prisons facility.”
“He’s going to be an old man when he leaves Peru,” Town continued, “and then he still has federal U.S. time to face. So, any sentence he could get, is going to be very close to a life sentence for Joran van der Sloot,” ... and he “still has Hell to look forward to.”
In the meantime, van der Sloot’s wife, Leidy Figueroa, who married him in prison in spite of his 28-year-sentence, filed for divorce after learning he had at least one other “love interest.” Seven months pregnant at the time of their prison wedding, van der Sloot told her he wanted to marry her “all over again” once his sentence ended. Figueroa was “registered as a conjugal visitor” of van der Sloot’s at the Piedras Gordas prison in Lima. In the photo above, Figueroa poses with van der Sloot’s photo and some of the ceramic figurines he made in prison.
Sources: Morgan Hightower, WBRC, May 12, 2023; Michael Ruiz and Haley Chi-Sing, Fox News, May 13, 2023; Ryan Parry, The Daily Mail, September 23, 2014, and The Associated Press, October 8, 2012.
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Post by jason on May 13, 2023 17:13:57 GMT -5
Why would a prison allow conjugal visits when an inmate obviously has no means of supporting a child? Prison is supposed to punish criminals for their crimes and that should mean no booty calls. Also, why is that woman -- who's ugly as homemade sin -- surprised that he had another "love interest"? The dude's in prison for God's sake, he's going to be interested in any female who writes him a letter!
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Post by catherine on May 13, 2023 22:57:02 GMT -5
Thanks for explaining the charges. Killing this girl for no reason was bad enough, but to extort her grieving mother is beyond the pale. There's something seriously wrong with this SOB.
Like Jason, I cannot understand why any prison would allow conjugal visits. In this country, I think there are only 4 states that allow this disgusting practice, California (of course), Connecticut, New York and Washington state. Not only does it allow inmates privileges they do not deserve, it also costs the state money to provide accommodations for these booty calls, and the taxpayers also end up supporting any children born to the lowlife women who become impregnated by these losers.
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Post by JoannaL on May 16, 2023 12:34:16 GMT -5
Peruvian Prison 'Incident' May Delay van der Sloot's Extradition
A prison “incident” at the mountaintop Peruvian prison where Joran van der Sloot is incarcerated may complicate his extradition to the United States. Maximo Altez, his attorney, claims phone access and other types of communication, aside from prison meetings, have been cut off, and as a result, he has been unable to speak with his client and cannot file a habeas corpus petition that would “paralyze” the pending extradition without van der Sloot’s approval.
Altez, who insists, “The Challapalca prison is the worst prison in the world,” adds that “Joran is in hell” and that by serving time in the U.S., he “would go to a hell that is more comfortable.”
In 2014, Altez said his client had been stabbed three times in the prison following his initial transfer for unruly behavior. Prison officials, however, claimed the wounds appeared to have been self-inflicted and that Van der Sloot was transferred to the maximum security facility after he was caught trafficking drugs and possessing a cellphone.
Colonel Carlos López Aeda, chief of Interpol in Lima, Peru, insisted van der Sloot had proven to be an “unruly person” since his arrest in 2010 for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores, whom he killed because she allegedly “intruded” in his life. “Taking this background into consideration, we as policemen could presume that he could also have killed [Natalee Holloway]. That is not ruled out in any way because of the way he acts, those psychopathic traits, that murderous attitude.”
Van der Sloot has a sordid past, spreading destruction wherever he goes. After escaping charges in the Natalee Holloway case, he traveled to Bangkok, Thailand, to study business at Rangsit University, where he quickly dropped out of school, bought a restaurant, and became involved in a sex slave gang. The smooth-talking Dutchman, using the name “Murphy Jenkins,” was adept at convincing impressionable young women they would be going to Europe to work as models. At least one of the girls he recruited has never been seen again, and authorities suspect she is dead.
“Girls who are approached by sex traffickers here often get killed, especially if they discover they are being tricked into prostitution and start to resist or threaten to go to the police,” a Thai law enforcement official told a reporter. “Many of these girls have no legal documents. If they go missing, nobody notices. It’s easy to kill them, hide the bodies and get away with it.”
Sources: Michael Ruiz, Fox News, May 14 and 16, 2023; Emily Shugerman and Pilar Melendez, The Daily Beast, May 13, 2023, and Caroline Black, CBS News, July 20, 2010.
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