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Post by Joanna on Dec 7, 2014 23:20:56 GMT -5
How Ghosts have Changed In 1628, a young woman in the town of Dole, in what is now eastern France, believed she was visited by a ghost. The young woman, who was ill in bed initially saw an ordinary woman who had tidied up and taken care of her. However, she began to think her nurse might be a spirit after the kind woman appeared at her side without opening the locked door. The apparition, she believed, was the spirit of her aunt, who came to help her out as a form of penance to lessen the aunt’s time in purgatory.
We think of ghosts as wispy and translucent – a vaporous woman, perhaps, who floats down the stairs, her dress trailing in the languid air behind her. But in early modern Europe, ghosts were often perceived as solid persons. The viewer discovered that they weren’t when they did something that ordinary humans could not, like bypassing a locked door to enter a room.
By the 19th century, people had begun to think of ghosts predominantly as spectral forms – ephemeral, elusive, evanescent. When the ghost of Marley appeared to Scrooge in Dickens’s A Christmas Carol (1843), and Scrooge looked his transparent body “through and through,” he illustrated a shift in the manner in which ghosts became real to people, how ghosts were seen and remembered.
In Spectres of the Self, the cultural historian Dr. Shane McCorristine points to two reasons for this transmutation. The first was skepticism about the supernatural, generated by new developments in science. The concept of hallucination emerged to explain experiences such as seeing an apparition. As seeing ghosts became a psychological phenomenon, it also became a pathological one. In 1848, the British skeptic Charles Ollier spoke for many when he wrote that “anyone who thinks he has seen a ghost, may take the vision as a symptom that his bodily health is deranged.” As a result, McCorristine writes, the ghost was gradually relocated “from the external, objective and theological structured world to the internal, subjective and psychological haunted world of personal experience.”
The other reason was the development of new technologies, including photography, in the early decades of the 19th century. Those who wanted to hang on to their beliefs in the supernatural despite the apparent threat posed by science found in the idea of the hallucination a kind of scientific evidence that the dead came back to life. By the 1860s “spirit photography” presented astonishing images of people alongside dead relatives (above), using double exposure and other manipulations to portray a gauzy form alongside a living person. It was the transparency that marked the dead as dead – and of course, it was technology that allowed some photographers to fake the ghost.
By the late 19th century, séances had become wildly popular. Historians have argued that spiritualism and psychical research became a kind of surrogate religion that demonstrated the truth of an otherworldly reality as faith in ordinary Christianity declined. Then, through the 20th century, their appeal receded.
Pop culture is richly peopled with vampires, zombies, the living dead: the Harry Potter books, the Twilight series, the television show Grimm. The Syfy network has produced 16 paranormal reality shows since 2004. A 2013 Harris Poll found that 42 percent of Americans believed in ghosts – but only 24 percent of respondents 68 and older.
Scholars sometimes talk about this supernaturalization as a kind of “re-enchantment” of the world – as a growing awareness that the modern world is not stripped of the magical, as the German sociologist Max Weber and so many others once thought, but is in some ways more fascinated than ever with the idea that there is more than material reality around us. In part, I think, this is because skepticism has made the supernatural safe, even fun. It turns out that while many Americans may think there are ghosts, they often don’t believe that ghosts can harm them.
There is, however, a deeper reason. Just as spiritualism became a means to hold on to the supernatural claims of religion in the face of science in the 19th century, the supernaturalism of our own time may enable something similar. The God that has emerged in the post-1960s “renewalist” Christianity practiced by nearly a quarter of all Americans is vividly supernatural – a Jesus who walks by your side just as Jesus walked with his disciples. This assertion that the supernatural is natural helps to make the case for God in a secular age, because it promises people they will know by experience that God is real.
Perhaps technology plays a role as well. Our world is animated in ways that can seem almost uncanny – lights that snap on as you approach, cars that fire into life without keys, websites that know what you like to read and suggest more books like those. The Internet is not material in the ordinary way. It feels somehow different. Maybe this, too, stokes our imagination. Sources: T. M. Luhrmann, The New York Times, October 29, 2014; and "Ghosts Now and Then," Phantom World.
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Post by chris on Dec 13, 2020 18:40:32 GMT -5
This probably isn't a good place to ask this question, but has anyone else noticed that reports of ghosts seem to be getting so silly that people are losing interest in the paranormal? I'm at the point that if I see something in the news about a ghost or haunted house and see that it's a YouTube video, I don't even bother to look.
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Post by steve on Dec 13, 2020 23:51:04 GMT -5
This probably isn't a good place to ask this question, but has anyone else noticed that reports of ghosts seem to be getting so silly that people are losing interest in the paranormal? I'm at the point that if I see something in the news about a ghost or haunted house and see that it's a YouTube video, I don't even bother to look. I'm the same. Most of it's just a lot of teenage BS.
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Post by pat on Dec 16, 2020 15:07:32 GMT -5
This probably isn't a good place to ask this question, but has anyone else noticed that reports of ghosts seem to be getting so silly that people are losing interest in the paranormal? I'm at the point that if I see something in the news about a ghost or haunted house and see that it's a YouTube video, I don't even bother to look. I don't know which is worse, the videos where they think they're seeing or hearing ghosts, or what they call podcasts, where people who need to take voice lessons tell about infamous crimes. I saw one where these two women were telling about the Ken McElroy case in Skidmore, Missouri, and they actually mispronounced "McElroy."
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Post by aprillynn93 on Dec 16, 2020 19:44:34 GMT -5
This probably isn't a good place to ask this question, but has anyone else noticed that reports of ghosts seem to be getting so silly that people are losing interest in the paranormal? I'm at the point that if I see something in the news about a ghost or haunted house and see that it's a YouTube video, I don't even bother to look. Yeah unfortunately I have also lost interest in most peoples videos, photos and stories.
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Post by catherine on Dec 17, 2020 0:14:36 GMT -5
I don't know which is worse, the videos where they think they're seeing or hearing ghosts, or what they call podcasts, where people who need to take voice lessons tell about infamous crimes. I saw one where these two women were telling about the Ken McElroy case in Skidmore, Missouri, and they actually mispronounced "McElroy." These losers are the ones who are always posting their crappy videos on reddit and other social media and most of them begin with "Me and my friend." I don't know what these annoying brats learn in school, but it isn't English.
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Post by steve on Dec 17, 2020 15:22:55 GMT -5
These losers are the ones who are always posting their crappy videos on reddit and other social media and most of them begin with "Me and my friend." I don't know what these annoying brats learn in school, but it isn't English. It isn't filmmaking either!
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Post by chris on Aug 13, 2023 12:19:26 GMT -5
The ghosts of the past were a lot more interesting than what passes today for ghosts. On sites like Facebook and Reddit, they're still posting pictures and videos of orbs and claiming they're ghosts. If these people are so great at technology, why can't they understand that "orbs" are nothing more than light refractions?
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Post by madeline on Aug 13, 2023 15:06:17 GMT -5
The ghosts of the past were a lot more interesting than what passes today for ghosts. On sites like Facebook and Reddit, they're still posting pictures and videos of orbs and claiming they're ghosts. If these people are so great at technology, why can't they understand that "orbs" are nothing more than light refractions? I still haven't decided which is the most ridiculous, orbs or EVP.
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Post by catherine on Aug 13, 2023 16:46:28 GMT -5
The ghosts of the past were a lot more interesting than what passes today for ghosts. On sites like Facebook and Reddit, they're still posting pictures and videos of orbs and claiming they're ghosts. If these people are so great at technology, why can't they understand that "orbs" are nothing more than light refractions? Ghosts haven't changed, people have changed. The ridiculous "orb" craze started with digital cameras, and some idiot "paranormal investigator" decided ordinary sounds, that can be picked up anywhere, were the voices of the dead back in the 70s, but it didn't catch on until teenagers began trading nonsense online.
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Post by snowfairy on Jan 14, 2024 20:36:21 GMT -5
Ghosts haven't changed, people have changed. The ridiculous "orb" craze started with digital cameras, and some idiot "paranormal investigator" decided ordinary sounds, that can be picked up anywhere, were the voices of the dead back in the 70s, but it didn't catch on until teenagers began trading nonsense online. I joined some of the ghost groups on Facebook but all they do is post photos and videos of orbs or photos of obvious pareidolia, so I un-joined. At first I thought it was because they were impressionable teenagers but most of them are adults who should know better. There's also one in a group called American Ghost Stories, or something like that, who copies and pastes articles written by others and claims them as his own.
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