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Post by kosherdill on Sept 25, 2021 0:22:41 GMT -5
Under the same logic, you could say we cannot say that fictional characters don't, or cannot exist either. There have been sightings of fictional characters. All reputable educational sources say that dragons are fictional, and that applies to things like John Constantine and Slenderman also. Those are eyelashes. They don't look like whiskers at all. No, the “same logic” does not apply because believing fictional characters, which are created out of whole cloth, may exist, is an absence of logic. Cryptids result from repeated sightings. The two aren’t comparable.
Until 1910, all reputable educational sources said Komodo dragons were fictional.
They don’t look like eyelashes at all and McCleary was familiar enough with marine life to know water creatures do not have eyelashes.There's been repeated sightings of Santa Claus. See my links above. I looked on the Wikipedia page for Komodo Dragon and it says nothing about them being considered fictional. From Wikipedia; ''Komodo dragons were first documented by Europeans in 1910, when rumors of a "land crocodile" reached Lieutenant van Steyn van Hensbroek of the Dutch colonial administration.[4] Widespread notoriety came after 1912, when Peter Ouwens, the director of the Zoological Museum at Bogor, Java, published a paper on the topic after receiving a photo and a skin from the lieutenant, as well as two other specimens from a collector.[3]'' ''McCleary was familiar enough with marine life to know water creatures do not have eyelashes.'' The McCleary case was debunked as a hoax so I feel it's no longer relevant to this topic, as I am trying to include sources that don't originate from hoaxes, or pranksters such as Mr McCleary. forteanzoology.blogspot.com/2011/05/michael-newton-whats-eating-you.html
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Post by Graveyardbride on Sept 25, 2021 0:53:43 GMT -5
You say you’ve “done some reading on this.” Too bad you didn’t read anything worthwhile. The Cryptomundo article by Michael Newton is laughable. For example, he claims the Pensacola Journal, the newspaper in which the incident was published, did not exist, which is patently untrue. In fact, in 1962, the Pensacola Journal was the area’s primary newspaper and remained so until 1985, when it merged with the Pensacola News and became the Pensacola News-Journal.
Then he claims he searched Social Security records for 1962 deaths in an attempt to locate any available corroboration of what he calls “McCleary’s tale” and the deaths of Larry Bill, Warren Felley and Eric Ruyle were not listed. First, in the 1960s, a lot of teenagers did not obtain a Social Security number until they went away to college, entered the military, registered for the draft or got a job, and even those who worked often did so “under the table,” as it were. Second, if Newton had any clue whatsoever as to what he was doing, he would have checked court files, not for 1962, but for 1969, when the three teens were declared dead.
I don’t know why you chose to post nonsense about sightings of Santa Claus, Donald Duck and other foolishness, because such have nothing whatsoever to do with this incident.
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Post by steve on Sept 25, 2021 0:58:52 GMT -5
There's been repeated sightings of Santa Claus. See my links above. I looked on the Wikipedia page for Komodo Dragon and it says nothing about them being considered fictional. From Wikipedia; ''Komodo dragons were first documented by Europeans in 1910, when rumors of a "land crocodile" reached Lieutenant van Steyn van Hensbroek of the Dutch colonial administration.[4] Widespread notoriety came after 1912, when Peter Ouwens, the director of the Zoological Museum at Bogor, Java, published a paper on the topic after receiving a photo and a skin from the lieutenant, as well as two other specimens from a collector.[3]'' ''McCleary was familiar enough with marine life to know water creatures do not have eyelashes.'' The McCleary case was debunked as a hoax so I feel it's no longer relevant to this topic, as I am trying to include sources that don't originate from hoaxes, or pranksters such as Mr McCleary. forteanzoology.blogspot.com/2011/05/michael-newton-whats-eating-you.htmlI haven't seen where the McCleary case was debunked as a hoax. You might want to read paragraph 4 of the Group Description & Rules. whatliesbeyond.boards.net/thread/12/group-description-rules
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Post by kosherdill on Sept 25, 2021 1:09:51 GMT -5
You say you’ve “done some reading on this.” Too bad you didn’t read anything worthwhile. The Cryptomundo article by Michael Newton is laughable. For example, he claims the Pensacola Journal, the newspaper in which the incident was published, did not exist, which is patently untrue. In fact, in 1962, the Pensacola Journal was the area’s primary newspaper and remained so until 1985, when it merged with the Pensacola News and became the Pensacola News-Journal.
Then he claims he searched Social Security records for 1962 deaths in an attempt to locate any available corroboration of what he calls “McCleary’s tale” and the deaths of Larry Bill, Warren Felley and Eric Ruyle were not listed. First, in the 1960s, a lot of teenagers did not obtain a Social Security number until they went away to college, entered the military, registered for the draft or got a job, and even those who worked often did so “under the table,” as it were. Second, if Newton had any clue whatsoever as to what he was doing, he would have checked court files, not for 1962, but for 1969, when the three teens were declared dead.
I don’t know why you chose to post nonsense about sightings of Santa Claus, Donald Duck and other foolishness, because such have nothing whatsoever to do with this incident. What are the sources for these court files? Michael Newton checked with the US Coast Guard and local law enforcement, there was no record of a big search for the alleged missing teenagers. If Bradford Rice actually existed, and his body did indeed wash ashore, there would be an autopsy report available, along with a coroner's conclusion. If he were attacked by some giant toothed monster, which McCleary says he was in his Fate Magazine story, there would be evidence of that in the report. What did the coroner's conclusion say? Around a decade ago a killer whale trainer was mauled by a killer whale when she fell into his tank. The autopsy report was pretty horrendous.
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Post by steve on Sept 25, 2021 1:16:59 GMT -5
What are the sources for these court files? Michael Newton checked with the US Coast Guard and local law enforcement, there was no record of a big search for the alleged missing teenagers. Why do you care? You've already said it was all a hoax.
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Post by kosherdill on Sept 25, 2021 1:20:13 GMT -5
What are the sources for these court files? Michael Newton checked with the US Coast Guard and local law enforcement, there was no record of a big search for the alleged missing teenagers. Why do you care? You've already said it was all a hoax. There's a lot of talk about x happened and x said this, but I'm not seeing any reliable sources. It's not adding up. Where is the coroner's report concluding that Bradford Rice was killed by a monster?
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Post by steve on Sept 25, 2021 1:39:30 GMT -5
There's a lot of talk about x happened and x said this, but I'm not seeing any reliable sources. It's not adding up. Where is the coroner's report concluding that Bradford Rice was killed by a monster? What I've seen is a lot of arrogance, condescension and off-topic crap on your part. If you want information, dissing those who actually know something about the case isn't the way to go.
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Post by kosherdill on Sept 25, 2021 1:40:34 GMT -5
There's a lot of talk about x happened and x said this, but I'm not seeing any reliable sources. It's not adding up. Where is the coroner's report concluding that Bradford Rice was killed by a monster? What I've seen is a lot of arrogance, condescension and off-topic crap on your part. If you want information, dissing those who actually know something about the case isn't the way to go. Still waiting on the groundbreaking autopsy report.
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Post by steve on Sept 25, 2021 1:45:04 GMT -5
So no autopsy report exists then to prove me wrong. Okay. Jump to conclusions much? You're being an asshole again. I never said I knew anything about the case because I don't. But I couldn't help noticing how you dissed those who do.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Sept 25, 2021 3:16:52 GMT -5
What are the sources for these court files? Michael Newton checked with the US Coast Guard and local law enforcement, there was no record of a big search for the alleged missing teenagers. If Bradford Rice actually existed, and his body did indeed wash ashore, there would be an autopsy report available, along with a coroner's conclusion. If he were attacked by some giant toothed monster, which McCleary says he was in his Fate Magazine story, there would be evidence of that in the report. What did the coroner's conclusion say? Around a decade ago a killer whale trainer was mauled by a killer whale when she fell into his tank. The autopsy report was pretty horrendous. Brad Rice is buried in Beal Memorial Cemetery in Fort Walton Beach and his cause of death was drowning. When the monster, or whatever it was, attacked, both he and McCleary managed to get away. If you want a copy of the autopsy report, contact the District 1 Medical Examiner’s Office in Pensacola.
There was a huge search when the boys failed to return home that evening, but I’m not surprised Michael Newton wasn’t able to find anything because it’s apparent from the articles he wrote that his research skills leave a lot to be desired.
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Post by kosherdill on Sept 25, 2021 4:34:52 GMT -5
What are the sources for these court files? Michael Newton checked with the US Coast Guard and local law enforcement, there was no record of a big search for the alleged missing teenagers. If Bradford Rice actually existed, and his body did indeed wash ashore, there would be an autopsy report available, along with a coroner's conclusion. If he were attacked by some giant toothed monster, which McCleary says he was in his Fate Magazine story, there would be evidence of that in the report. What did the coroner's conclusion say? Around a decade ago a killer whale trainer was mauled by a killer whale when she fell into his tank. The autopsy report was pretty horrendous. Brad Rice is buried in Beal Memorial Cemetery in Fort Walton Beach and his cause of death was drowning. When the monster, or whatever it was, attacked, both he and McCleary managed to get away. If you want a copy of the autopsy report, contact the District 1 Medical Examiner’s Office in Pensacola.
There was a huge search when the boys failed to return home that evening, but I’m not surprised Michael Newton wasn’t able to find anything because it’s apparent from the articles he wrote that his research skills leave a lot to be desired.In the Fate Magazine story, McCleary said that Brad was killed by the monster, with Warren Salley screaming ''it got Brad!''. ''I don't know how long it was before we heard a scream. It lasted maybe half a minute. Then I heard Warren call, ''Hey! Help me! It got Brad! It got Brad! I've got to get outta here . . . '' His voice was cut off abruptly by a short cry.'' Brad was swimming behind everyone else.
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Post by pat on Sept 25, 2021 11:15:44 GMT -5
In the Fate Magazine story, McCleary said that Brad was killed by the monster, with Warren Salley screaming ''it got Brad!''. ''I don't know how long it was before we heard a scream. It lasted maybe half a minute. Then I heard Warren call, ''Hey! Help me! It got Brad! It got Brad! I've got to get outta here . . . '' His voice was cut off abruptly by a short cry.''Brad was swimming behind everyone else. Obviously Warren was mistaken.
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Post by catherine on Sept 25, 2021 12:01:02 GMT -5
]He was describing a sea serpent. Which is a fictional creature, and a type of mythological dragon. It's like the story of Monique Jones and her seeing Slenderman - who is also a mythological creature. www.softschools.com/facts/fiction/dragons_facts/2727/Dragons Facts Dragons are fictional creatures that have existed in many cultures in mythology and folklore since the beginning of ancient Greek, Egyptian, and Asian societies. There are generally two types of dragons - the Asian dragons and the European dragons, with many different variations of each.'' He could have been describing the tentacles of a giant squid. There are huge squids in the Gulf of Mexico and his comparison to a telephone pole seems more like the tentacle of a squid than the head of a sea monster. Some fisherman in the Gulf saw the tentacle of something come up out of the water and grab a dolphin. They waited to see if the dolphin would resurface, but it didn't, so whatever it was apparently ate it. A squid big enough to eat a dolphin could easily consume three teenagers.
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Post by julia on Sept 26, 2021 10:29:11 GMT -5
In the Fate Magazine story, McCleary said that Brad was killed by the monster, with Warren Salley screaming ''it got Brad!''; ''I don't know how long it was before we heard a scream. It lasted maybe half a minute. Then I heard Warren call, ''Hey! Help me! It got Brad! It got Brad! I've got to get outta here . . . '' His voice was cut off abruptly by a short cry.''Brad was swimming behind everyone else. I don’t know anything about the sea serpent incident other than what I’ve heard, but when I was in the Navy, I spent two years at Naval Air Station Pensacola and the water temperature in March is usually less than 65 degrees Fahrenheit, which is really too cold for swimming. At that temperature, within a few hours, even a healthy person – and I assume the boys were in good health – would suffer a serious drop in body temperature, putting him/her at risk of dying of hypothermia. As body temperature decreases, a person becomes disoriented and begins to hallucinate. Because nothing was found of three of the boys, the most likely scenario is that they were the victims of a shark attack and McCleary, who was disoriented from loss of body temperature and thirst by the time he was found, hallucinated the sea serpent. However, the oceans are vast and there have been too many reports of gigantic sea monsters to dismiss them all as tall tales.
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