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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 20:23:02 GMT -5
All of that makes sense too, Jason.
Are you with those who suggest that having a “normal relationship” with a woman would have made a difference. If you’re talking about a steady partner relationship, I’d say there are plenty of serial killers with “normal” relationships.
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Post by jason on Mar 16, 2018 17:26:01 GMT -5
All of that makes sense too, Jason. Are you with those who suggest that having a “normal relationship” with a woman would have made a difference. No, but the profilers are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 19:15:05 GMT -5
I see truth in fiction and Thomas Harris has Hannibal say first principle is Coveting The Essence. Coveting in that sense is largely Envy I would think. Not lust surely. Envy equates to “Evil Eye” in some books. (Xtreme Psychology) The effect is what I call Buzz Kill. www.luckymojo.com/evileye.htmlEvil eye and homicide go hand in hand with First Principle. So a negative reaction is only too understandable and if known would make a big difference with the homicide part. Even more than the so-called "normal" relationship thing the FBI profilers would talk about.
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Post by jason on Mar 18, 2018 1:16:26 GMT -5
I see truth in fiction and Thomas Harris has Hannibal say first principle is Coveting The Essence. Coveting in that sense is largely Envy I would think. Not lust surely. Envy equates to “Evil Eye” in some books. (Xtreme Psychology) The effect is what I call Buzz Kill. www.luckymojo.com/evileye.htmlEvil eye and homicide go hand in hand with First Principle. So a negative reaction is only too understandable and if known would make a big difference with the homicide part. Even more than the so-called "normal" relationship thing the FBI profilers would talk about.
You lose me when you start talking about things like the "Evil Eye," but assuming there's something to your Evil Eye theory, is there any relationship to the Third Eye that you talk about in another discussion? Would a woman with a Third Eye, or an advanced sense of intuitiveness, be aware of the danger of a man with the Evil Eye? Like those who weren't taken in by Ted Bundy's charm, while others blindly got into his car and drove off with him?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 15:49:13 GMT -5
A man’s Evil Eye is definitely related to his Third Eye. Some people think it’s the same thing but there’s no way. I should let the women speak for them. But there’s a lot of things going on to circumvent or distract a victim’s perception of a man “coveting” unto death. Did the ones that refuse actually refuse only because they thought he was a predator? Or just generally off putting?
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Post by jason on Mar 18, 2018 16:19:30 GMT -5
A man’s Evil Eye is definitely related to his Third Eye. Some people think it’s the same thing but there’s no way. I should let the women speak for them. But there’s a lot of things going on to circumvent or distract a victim’s perception of a man “coveting” unto death. Did the ones that refuse actually refuse only because they thought he was a predator? Or just generally off putting? There's no way they could have known that he was a predator, but some of them had a "feeling" that something about him wasn't right. One of those at Lake Sammamish, who was only 16, later said: Why was she unnerved when she looked into his eyes, while other older, more experienced women -- Janice Ott and Denise Naslund, for example, -- weren't? Some of the women who commented in the thread about the Lake Sammamish killings said that some women are more perceptive than others, but what is it that makes them more perceptive?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 18:58:16 GMT -5
Bundy at the Lake was an unusual situation. It’s hard to say but from the Evil Eye perspective, there are sites that talk of odd or small pupils being an Indicator. Young people are more susceptible which might explain the 16 year old’s reaction. A saintly woman or a drunk one wouldn’t be off-put by the Evil Eye which might explain the social worker and the inebriated victim. Some are attached and more readily entertain secret trists so will run risks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 20:42:30 GMT -5
On second thought, Bundy wouldn’t have technically been exhibiting classic Evil Eye at the lake. The vice of Evil Eye is Envy. He’d of had Lust and Blood Lust.
Evil Eye would be in the lead up. In his case, it was probably envy of his girlfriend’s father’s riches. Maybe that’s what the dad reacted so negatively to.
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Post by catherine on Mar 18, 2018 22:59:00 GMT -5
Bundy at the Lake was an unusual situation. It’s hard to say but from the Evil Eye perspective, there are sites that talk of odd or small pupils being an Indicator. It was a bright sunshiny day. Everyone had small pupils.
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Post by Sam on Mar 19, 2018 0:46:42 GMT -5
On second thought, Bundy wouldn’t have technically been exhibiting classic Evil Eye at the lake. The vice of Evil Eye is Envy. He’d of had Lust and Blood Lust. Evil Eye would be in the lead up. In his case, it was probably envy of his girlfriend’s father’s riches. Maybe that’s what the dad reacted so negatively to.
His girlfriend's father's riches?
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Post by kitty on Mar 19, 2018 12:13:37 GMT -5
His girlfriend's father's riches? He dated a rich girl for a while, but I don't know what her real name was. Lee might know. Ann Rule called her Stephanie in her book.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 18:50:52 GMT -5
They say the father rejected him and told him not to see his daughter ever again at first introduction. But they also say Stephanie was planning to dump him anyway because he wasn’t rich. www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11952359My opinion is that it makes a huge difference if you believe a rejection is someone’s judgement on your status, or character, or it’s a reaction to a stigma that carries with it a curse on those you gaze on. The rejection is almost to be expected instead of leading to homicidal feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 20:17:29 GMT -5
It would be interesting to know if any of the ladies ever were put off by someone who outwardly looked fine and who you may even know and you can’t put your finger on the problem. I’m talking about something you can’t say wasn’t totally innocent, not a guy with a cast who says he need help. Sometimes though the more innocent it looks.....
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Post by Graveyardbride on Mar 19, 2018 20:57:27 GMT -5
He dated a rich girl for a while, but I don't know what her real name was. Lee might know. Ann Rule called her Stephanie in her book. The girl, Diane Edwards, was from California. They dated in college, but because he had no set goals in life, she eventually broke off their relationship. Because of the breakup, he dropped out of college, but after he returned and graduated with a degree in psychology and had decided he wanted to become a lawyer, they got together again, and this time, he broke up with her.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Mar 19, 2018 21:14:25 GMT -5
They say the father rejected him and told him not to see his daughter ever again at first introduction. But they also say Stephanie was planning to dump him anyway because he wasn’t rich. www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11952359My opinion is that it makes a huge difference if you believe a rejection is someone’s judgement on your status, or character, or it’s a reaction to a stigma that carries with it a curse on those you gaze on. The rejection is almost to be expected instead of leading to homicidal feelings. I read the article and I don't know where people come up with such stories.At the time Diane Edwards broke up with him, he hadn't even decided what sort of degree he was going to pursue and it was the fact he had no particular goals in life that caused her to break up with him. She knew he wasn't rich when they began dating. Additionally, there's nothing on the tapes he made during his final days indicating her father told him not to see his daughter again, and I don't know of anyone who ever heard him say such a thing. Also, he and Diane got together again long after their breakup. I do believe he harbored some resentment toward her, but it's natural for people to resent those who dump them.
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