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Post by catherine on Jun 3, 2017 9:28:42 GMT -5
You wanna know why people take so long to report sexual abuse? Look how you treat them when they do. I remember what it's like to be a teenage girl and I know that in high school, everything spreads like wildfire. If there had been widespread sexual abuse, or any sexual abuse by someone in authority, every girl in school would have known about it and talked about it. When women wait more than two decades to claim something like this happened, people with any common sense aren't going to believe it.
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Post by pat on Jun 5, 2017 8:42:38 GMT -5
"The Keepers" has generated a lot of online discussion. Two teenage girls were raped and murdered a year or two after Sister Cathy and Joyce Melecki were killed. Does anyone have any information about them? Did they have a connection to the church?
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Post by Sam on Jun 12, 2017 0:10:05 GMT -5
There are a lot of sites about this case and people seem to get very upset if you say that you don't believe everything that these women are saying. In the discussion sections, there will be maybe one person who doubts some of it and others gang up on them. I have doubts myself, but I haven't dare say so on any of those other sites.
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Post by jason on Jun 12, 2017 7:37:42 GMT -5
There are a lot of sites about this case and people seem to get very upset if you say that you don't believe everything that these women are saying. In the discussion sections, there will be maybe one person who doubts some of it and others gang up on them. I have doubts myself, but I haven't dare say so on any of those other sites.
On some sites, people are getting banned left and right for questioning anything that bunch of whiny bitches say. It's like they're beyond reproach, but if you really pay attention to what they're saying and think about it, a lot of it doesn't make a lick of sense.
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Post by Kate on Jun 12, 2017 18:58:16 GMT -5
On some sites, people are getting banned left and right for questioning anything that bunch of whiny bitches say. It's like they're beyond reproach, but if you really pay attention to what they're saying and think about it, a lot of it doesn't make a lick of sense. Every time I read or see anything about "The Keepers," I think of the Salem Witch Trials, where people were condemned as witches for not believing the accusers.
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Post by catherine on Jun 12, 2017 23:28:42 GMT -5
On some sites, people are getting banned left and right for questioning anything that bunch of whiny bitches say. It's like they're beyond reproach, but if you really pay attention to what they're saying and think about it, a lot of it doesn't make a lick of sense. I've had several of my comments about them deleted on a couple of sites and one bitch -- and I strongly suspect it was one of those Sacred Cows herself -- accused me of being a frigging Catholic priest for saying that I didn't believe their stories! I replied and said that I didn't know the Catholic church ordained women priests and guess what, that comment was deleted, too! How can so many people be taken in by this rubbish?
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Post by Graveyardbride on Jun 13, 2017 4:52:51 GMT -5
If you think that's bad, read these comments in response to an Inside Baltimore article:
lee77 says: June 6, 2017 at 6:19 am “Q. Why did the Archdiocese require her to sign a contract in which she agreed to never seek additional compensation from the Archdiocese or the order of teaching nuns at Archbishop Keough High School in the future?”
There is nothing sinister about this clause. It is standard in ALL contracts in which money is paid for alleged personal injury, whether it be from sexual abuse, a motor vehicle accident, medical malpractice, a slip-and-fall, or whatever.
Anonymous says: June 6, 2017 at 2:15 pm The contract is to protect their coffers from shrinking – period. And this was not “alleged.” The archdiocese admits it happened. This was to try to further silence people – hush money. It is all SINISTER!
lee77 says: June 6, 2017 at 8:52 pm
Such clauses are to “protect” the “coffers” of the entity/individual making the payment regardless of whether it is the archdiocese, an insurance company, or some other entity or individual. Without such a clause, the payee could return again and again requesting additional money.
With all due respect, the archdiocese wasn’t there when “it happened.” Unless there are eyewitnesses to, or physical confirmation of, a personal injury, regardless of the nature of said personal injury, then it is “alleged.”
lee77 says: June 6, 2017 at 6:26 am
“He got out and came over to me and started taking my pants down. Then he put his knee between my legs and forced them apart and began raping me. Meanwhile, a second priest – Father [A.] Joseph Maskell, who had been my parish priest before becoming the chaplain at Keough High School and whom I’d known since the age of 12 – stood there looking on as Father Magnus raped me. And then Father Maskell decided to take his turn, and he raped me.”
With all this sexual activity, why didn’t any of these girls ever become pregnant? Were they asked whether the priests, police officers, etc. paused to put on a condom before raping them?
Anonymous says: June 6, 2017 at 2:10 pm Lee77 – How do you know they didn’t? How do you know whether the gynocologist performed early abortions? Rapists do not take the time to put on a condom! We are talking 1969 – only those who lived through those times can fully understand the magnitude of this!
lee77 says: June 6, 2017 at 9:03 pm I don’t know that they didn’t [use condoms] and you don’t know that they did. I don’t know if the gynecologist performed early abortions, but neither do you. What I do know is that a woman/girl usually knows if she’s pregnant because there are physical indications. Accordingly, if any of these women were pregnant back then in what you consider the dark ages, they would have known and should be questioned about such as well as other details.
FYI, I remember 1969 and to me “those times” weren’t that long ago, and from what I read and see on TV today, not all that much different from “these times.”
Anonymous says: June 6, 2017 at 9:32 pm
The Archdiocese admitted it happened offered an apology (only because they knew this documentary was coming out). Doesn’t matter they will always deny deny deny and hope people believe. Regarding your condom comments – I was a teenager not an adult in 1969, attended Keough and know more than you assume.
lee77 says: June 7, 2017 at 12:16 am If you have inside information, you should share your personal knowledge concerning how your repeatedly sexually-assaulted classmates avoided pregnancy, those “early abortions,” etc.
Anonymous says: June 7, 2017 at 12:48 pm How do you know I haven’t? You assume too much.
lee77 says: June 7, 2017 at 9:01 pm I am not assuming anything, I simply asked you a question. You need to read more carefully.
lee77 says: June 7, 2017 at 9:06 pm Are you familiar with the old adage “Either put up or shut up”?
Anonymous says: June 8, 2017 at 3:23 pm Your comment is the reason people will not share info with someone like you and why survivors “shut up.” I have been involved with this for 3 years but my conversation is now over with you.
lee77 says: June 8, 2017 at 6:00 pm
You have been hinting that you know something from the beginning and all you’ve done is waste my time and the time of others reading these posts. I’m not going to beg you for information and I seriously doubt anyone else will either. If you knew anything other than hearsay, you would have revealed it in the beginning.
Anonymous says: June 8, 2017 at 8:40 pm Why would you think I would reveal anything to a stranger?? You are not part of this. You are some random person – could be the killer for all I know. You are also very insensitive – work for the church? This is how they treat people who have been wronged.
lee77 says: June 8, 2017 at 9:58 pm What happened to “... my conversation is now over with you”? You come here pretending to be “involved” in this case without providing one scintilla of evidence, which is a good indication such involvement exists only in your mind.
I am, and always have been, Episcopalian. A person doesn’t have to “work for the church” to find the figurative crucifixion of individuals for sexual abuse, cover-ups, or whatever, based on nothing more than unsubstantiated allegations, contemptible.
Anonymous says: June 11, 2017 at 10:08 am
Lee77. Maybe I have one ounce of self respect left in me. Maybe to share such private and personal information in a social media content is beyond my capability. There are many horrors I do not describe in light of caring for my family, and caring for myself. To ask a survivor tp go beyond their personal limits for someone’s curiosity sounds self harming.
I consider the archdiocese was with me and participated with each act committed against me. These rapes and other atrocities were in their building at the hands of their employees.
Thank you for your interest in this case.
Donna Vondenbosch Archbishop Keough Survior
lee77 says: June 11, 2017 at 11:36 am There are people who have gone through horrors as children and teenagers you can’t even imagine and they put it behind them and get on with their lives. The fact you were allegedly sexually molested as a teen doesn’t make you special.
The problem I have with you and the other alleged victims in this matter is that some of the allegations are preposterous and you either refuse to explain, or haven’t been asked, the difficult questions. For example, you speak of “early abortions,” which make absolutely no sense. Instead of risking repeated pregnancies, why didn’t Maskell have Dr. Richter prescribe the girls contraceptives?
Concerning the double-rape at the “picnic,” the complainant implies the sex acts took place while the victim and assailant were both standing. Standing sex requires strength, balance and coordination and would be next to impossible unless the two participants were close to the same height. From what I’ve heard, Maskell was a “big bear” of a man.
Quite frankly, the tales of priests, police officers, gynecologists and nuns (at least one of the “victims” mentioned the presence of a nun) smacks of the Satanic ritual sexual abuse madness that gripped the nation during the 80s and early 90s. Then there’s “Brother Bob,” who sounds like something straight out of “Twin Peaks,” which, coincidentally, was on TV in the early 90s around the time Jean Wehner began to “recover” all those memories.
Teresa Lancaster says: June 11, 2017 at 2:39 pm
I truly hope no one u love has to endure what Maskell did to me as a young girl. I never claimed to be special because of my abuse. I hope to stop the abuse which is still going on today. Sharing my story has helped others tell their horror, and it is horror that continues to haunt me daily.
lee77 says: June 11, 2017 at 10:03 pm Your reply is precisely what I expected. Instead of answering my questions, you attempt to divert the course of the discussion by whining about what you had to endure, sharing your story and how you’re still haunted by the “horror.” Newsflash: We’ve heard it all before.
Gemma Hoskins says: June 11, 2017 at 10:37 pm Unless you have something productive to offer, I suggest you curtail your attack. Our survivors have no need for people like you in their lives. Your rant is fruitless. You can take it someplace else.
lee77 says: June 12, 2017 at 4:02 am
By “productive” you obviously mean if I don’t accept all these absurd claims without question, I should refrain from commenting. All I’m asking is that you answer some simple questions. What’s so difficult about that?
Donne Vondenbosch Archbishop Keough Survivor and warrior says: June 12, 2017 at 1:23 pm Lee77 I think you are internet stalking me. Your comments have resemblance of my other internet account. Your interest on attacking me is not unnoted. What is your interest on this topic? Do you have a family? Are you related to Maskell ? Do you work for the AOB? Are you with a mental deficient. Is your emotional IQ on the lower spectrum? Are you 13 yrs old and need a productive hobby? I take by the timeline that you post 10:30 at night and four am the next morning that you are older and of the mentality of move on after you are raped, could you be telling us your a survivor. I don`t think you didn`t move on. That you call your self religious I`m not joining any religion that spells hate as this. I have also noted that out of all the articles you have only commented on mine. There is no difference between my and all the articles.
lee77 says: June 12, 2017 at 2:01 pm
Paranoid much? I had never even heard of you until now. I know nothing about your “other internet account” and couldn’t care less.
Am I not allowed to be interested in a topic simply because I refuse to swallow your allegations hook, line and sinker? You have refused to answer any of my questions, why should I answer yours?
Instead of spending all your time dwelling on the “horrors” or your alleged abuse, you should be taking a course in English grammar and composition. Everyone makes typos/grammatical errors when typing online, but your comment reads like it was written by a 10-year-old.
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Post by jason on Jun 13, 2017 10:37:12 GMT -5
These she-devils told the world about being raped at picnics (LOL!), gynecological exams and early abortions and then one of them says she isn't going to "reveal anything to a stranger" because the person asking might be the freaking KILLER? Nothing these witches say makes any sense. I agree with the poster that Vondenbosch's comment reads like it was written by a 10-year-old, but I would have said by a "retarded" 10-year-old!
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Post by jane on Jun 13, 2017 15:25:08 GMT -5
I haven't kept up with everything in this case, but as soon as I heard the name "Brother Bob," I immediately thought of "Killer Bob" on "Twin Peaks," though I didn't know for sure until now that the woman started remembering everything during the time that "Twin Peaks" was on TV. That's just too much of a coincidence.
I don't know what WAS going on at that high school, but from reading the comments of the women involved, it's abundantly clear that there wasn't a lot of emphasis on English grammar. I've never seen anything so poorly written by people who are high school graduates and the Lancaster woman is supposed to be a lawyer.
Another thing is that they're much too defensive. People who are telling the truth don't act like that.
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Post by madeline on Jun 14, 2017 13:16:43 GMT -5
Those women are stupid. All the one who says that she was raped at the picnic had to do was explain how the act took place and say if the men put on a condom. But instead of that all of them went ballistic because they were asked the question.
One of those women, Lancaster, is a lawyer and if she didn't know that when someone pays you money that you have to sign paperwork that it is in full settlement of the claim, she's not much of a lawyer.
Taking them in for abortions instead of putting them on birth control is just unbelievable. Not only do I think these women are lying, they're all a few bananas short of a bunch.
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Post by catherine on Jun 14, 2017 18:46:44 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice that this crazy bitch misspelled her own name? Her name is "Donna," NOT "Donne."
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Post by beta on Jun 14, 2017 22:08:39 GMT -5
If you think that's bad, read these comments in response to an Inside Baltimore article:
lee77 says: June 6, 2017 at 6:19 am “Q. Why did the Archdiocese require her to sign a contract in which she agreed to never seek additional compensation from the Archdiocese or the order of teaching nuns at Archbishop Keough High School in the future?”
There is nothing sinister about this clause. It is standard in ALL contracts in which money is paid for alleged personal injury, whether it be from sexual abuse, a motor vehicle accident, medical malpractice, a slip-and-fall, or whatever.
Anonymous says: June 6, 2017 at 2:15 pm The contract is to protect their coffers from shrinking – period. And this was not “alleged.” The archdiocese admits it happened. This was to try to further silence people – hush money. It is all SINISTER!
lee77 says: June 6, 2017 at 8:52 pm
Such clauses are to “protect” the “coffers” of the entity/individual making the payment regardless of whether it is the archdiocese, an insurance company, or some other entity or individual. Without such a clause, the payee could return again and again requesting additional money.
With all due respect, the archdiocese wasn’t there when “it happened.” Unless there are eyewitnesses to, or physical confirmation of, a personal injury, regardless of the nature of said personal injury, then it is “alleged.”
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Good God, those comments are frustrating. Props to Lee77 for trying to bring some common sense to the table. Quick hello to everyone; I posted in the The Keepers thread here on this forum and Pat kindly directed me to this one. I created an account here because this series did have an impact on me, and I haven't found a single forum besides this one where people can express doubts or critical opinions of this documentary without being called an abuser or facing other idiotic accusations. The Keepers is a hugely deceptive and misleading series on so many levels. Perhaps the worst of it is the way it presents Jean's "memories" as credible, and it does this by withholding a lot of information that I think would have discredited her in the eyes of many viewers, and substantially weakened her claims among the more credulous. I also shudder to think of all the fans eagerly speculating about who "Brother Bob" might be. They throw around real names of these "suspects", essentially making heinous criminal allegations about real people, some of whom are still living, and might suffer or have innocent families who will suffer from these baseless rumors. I just can't fathom the idiocy and recklessness of the rabid fans, eager to punish someone -- anyone -- for these imagined crimes. Jean Wehner says in the show that she's still recovering memories, even now. It's like a serialized mystery novel and she has everyone waiting on the edge of their seats for the next installment. Who Will Jean Accuse Next?
Perhaps some of the Brother Bob "suspects" will have grounds for a defamation lawsuit, but what a disgrace that it has come to that. I hope a day comes when The Keepers is thoroughly discredited and Ryan White (along with the credulous, hyterical mob) is ashamed of himself. I hope that day comes soon.
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Post by Joanna on Jun 15, 2017 19:23:26 GMT -5
There's been a second response to your comment on Inside Baltimore:
lee77 says: June 8, 2017 at 6:00 pm
You have been hinting that you know something from the beginning and all you’ve done is waste my time and the time of others reading these posts. I’m not going to beg you for information and I seriously doubt anyone else will either. If you knew anything other than hearsay, you would have revealed it in the beginning. beta says: June 14, 2017 at 10:22 pm
“You are not part of this. You are some random person”
EVERYONE is part of this now.
Allegations stemming from Recovered Memories have destroyed a lot of lives and put a lot of innocent people behind bars. When Recovered Memories are part of the equation, anyone and everyone who was ever in the accuser’s life, in any role — and often those who *weren’t* in the accuser’s life — are at risk of being cast as the new villain in their ever-expanding narrative.
The public is right to be skeptical of any and all claims based on recovered “memories”, just as they are right to be skeptical of those claim secret knowledge only to become indignant when asked to pony up.
Gemma Hoskins says: June 14, 2017 at 10:48 pm Who are these people? Very strange
Anonymous says: June 15, 2017 at 3:10 pm
These people are “defenders of the faith.” They are blind to injustice and seek only to “protect the institution at all costs.” This case has obviously shaken their faith because of the horrendous acts committed. They have no clue and will continue to discredit truth. I feel sorry for their “blind faith.” Nothing will satisfy them. They are afraid to allow them selves to even think any of this is truth.
Now you and Lee are "'defenders of the faith' ... blind to injustice," seeking "only to 'protect the institution of all costs.'" Lee is Episcopalian and clearly says so. Why do they assume everyone who questions them is covering up for the Catholics?
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Post by Sam on Jun 16, 2017 1:44:44 GMT -5
Good God, those comments are frustrating. Props to Lee77 for trying to bring some common sense to the table. Quick hello to everyone; I posted in the The Keepers thread here on this forum and Pat kindly directed me to this one. I created an account here because this series did have an impact on me, and I haven't found a single forum besides this one where people can express doubts or critical opinions of this documentary without being called an abuser or facing other idiotic accusations. The Keepers is a hugely deceptive and misleading series on so many levels. Perhaps the worst of it is the way it presents Jean's "memories" as credible, and it does this by withholding a lot of information that I think would have discredited her in the eyes of many viewers, and substantially weakened her claims among the more credulous. I also shudder to think of all the fans eagerly speculating about who "Brother Bob" might be. They throw around real names of these "suspects", essentially making heinous criminal allegations about real people, some of whom are still living, and might suffer or have innocent families who will suffer from these baseless rumors. I just can't fathom the idiocy and recklessness of the rabid fans, eager to punish someone -- anyone -- for these imagined crimes. Jean Wehner says in the show that she's still recovering memories, even now. It's like a serialized mystery novel and she has everyone waiting on the edge of their seats for the next installment. Who Will Jean Accuse Next?
Perhaps some of the Brother Bob "suspects" will have grounds for a defamation lawsuit, but what a disgrace that it has come to that. I hope a day comes when The Keepers is thoroughly discredited and Ryan White (along with the credulous, hyterical mob) is ashamed of himself. I hope that day comes soon. Kudos to you and Lee for being brave enough to state your opinions on that site. Ya'll are braver than I am. At first, I wasn't sure about what those women were saying, but the more I read about what they said, the less sense it made and as Judge Judy says, "If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true." Welcome to our group.
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Post by julia on Jun 18, 2017 1:52:16 GMT -5
Forty to fifty years ago, abortion wasn't as safe as it is today and there was a much greater risk of infection, which could lead to death. Following abortion, the girls would have experienced symptoms such as bloody discharge (sometimes for 2-3 weeks), cramps and nausea. Most mothers back then were attentive and some of them would have noticed if their daughters were having what appeared to be an unusually long period and taken them to a doctor. Those who believe the priest and gynecologist used "early abortion" as a method of birth control, know very little about the female reproductive system, abortion or birth control. The women's claims in this regard are ludicrous. The gynecologist could have easily prescribed Enovid, ostensibly to regulate the girl's menses, which was perfectly acceptable at the time. This would have been a lot safer for the girls, their "rapists" and the physician, than subjecting them to multiple abortions.
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