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Post by steve on Apr 21, 2018 6:12:14 GMT -5
Xtreme Psychology. Is that a real thing?
The person who called himself "vequest" or "beyonder" has a proboards group called "Xtreme Psychology". When he joined this group and started posting about it, I checked it out, but I was never able to understand what he was talking about, except that there was a connection between serial killers and aviation, religion and art. Here's the link to his site. Maybe you can understand it. xtremepsychology.proboards.com/
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Post by jason on Apr 21, 2018 7:03:36 GMT -5
The person who called himself "vequest" or "beyonder" has a proboards group called "Xtreme Psychology". When he joined this group and started posting about it, I checked it out, but I was never able to understand what he was talking about, except that there was a connection between serial killers and aviation, religion and art. Here's the link to his site. Maybe you can understand it. xtremepsychology.proboards.com/Too bad vquest (aka beyonder) got his knickers in a twist and quit again. He could have added Robert Mueller, the man who likely killed Janett Christman (Mystery Location No. 96), to his list of serial killers with an aviation connection.
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Post by Isbeau on Apr 22, 2018 18:33:42 GMT -5
Interesting but registration is closed there.
With Ed Gein and the Evil Eye, it's a simple matter of just saying he was a loner with no friends and since all the Evil Eye is is envy, all he has to do is envy attractive and popular people, male or female. I don't know how many really gorgeous people you're going to find in La Crosse. He went to school with only 12 kids. But it really doesn't take much to create a reasonable assumption that he envied even women. He does have a droopy eye if you believe the superstition about people with something wrong or off with their eyes.
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Post by Sam on Apr 23, 2018 6:50:57 GMT -5
Interesting but registration is closed there. With Ed Gein and the Evil Eye, it's a simple matter of just saying he was a loner with no friends and since all the Evil Eye is is envy, all he has to do is envy attractive and popular people, male or female. I don't know how many really gorgeous people you're going to find in La Crosse. He went to school with only 12 kids. But it really doesn't take much to create a reasonable assumption that he envied even women. He does have a droopy eye if you believe the superstition about people with something wrong or off with their eyes.
That's strange. Why would someone go to all the trouble of creating a site and then not let anybody join?
I haven't read a lot about Ed Gein, but he seemed to be obsessed with female skin. I don't think that it was because he envied women. I think that he was influenced by all of the weird things that he read in books and after his mother died, he decided to do some of those things himself.
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Post by Isbeau on Apr 24, 2018 0:19:37 GMT -5
Hi Sam, you must be referring to the first well-known gender reassignment that happened in American in the 50s. Ed would have been very interested in that. His mother wanted a girl. Ed Gein was unfairly shunned in a small community where they knew he would not be able to find friends elsewhere. If he felt resentment, it was partly justified. It was partly his mother's self-fulfilling prophesy. The poor lonely and shunned would be most given in to envy. I understand what they're saying about the Evil Eye. Tammy Hoag talks about Envy and Ed Gein in her book Secrets to the Grave. linkA friend told me about a male friend who is going for gender reassignment for that very reason - to get more attention or "action" I think was what he said. Was it a sexuality and gender issue or just a jealousy issue?
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Post by Sam on Apr 24, 2018 4:19:08 GMT -5
Hi Sam, you must be referring to the first well-known gender reassignment that happened in American in the 50s. Ed would have been very interested in that. His mother wanted a girl. Ed Gein was unfairly shunned in a small community where they knew he would not be able to find friends elsewhere. If he felt resentment, it was partly justified. It was partly his mother's self-fulfilling prophesy. The poor lonely and shunned would be most given in to envy. I understand what they're saying about the Evil Eye. Tammy Hoag talks about Envy and Ed Gein in her book Secrets to the Grave. linkA friend told me about a male friend who is going for gender reassignment for that very reason - to get more attention or "action" I think was what he said. Was it a sexuality and gender issue or just a jealousy issue?
The books that Gein had were about making shrunken heads, items made from human skin and things like that. I don't think that there was any evidence that he wanted to be a woman.
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Post by steve on Apr 24, 2018 5:51:17 GMT -5
Hi Sam, you must be referring to the first well-known gender reassignment that happened in American in the 50s. Ed would have been very interested in that. His mother wanted a girl. Ed Gein was unfairly shunned in a small community where they knew he would not be able to find friends elsewhere. If he felt resentment, it was partly justified. It was partly his mother's self-fulfilling prophesy. The poor lonely and shunned would be most given in to envy. I understand what they're saying about the Evil Eye. Tammy Hoag talks about Envy and Ed Gein in her book Secrets to the Grave. linkA friend told me about a male friend who is going for gender reassignment for that very reason - to get more attention or "action" I think was what he said. Was it a sexuality and gender issue or just a jealousy issue?
I saw something about Ed Gein on one of the crime TV shows recently and people who killed deer took them to him to butcher and tan the hides. I think that he got the idea to make a suit from a woman's skin from tanning animal hides.
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Post by Isbeau on Apr 24, 2018 20:43:46 GMT -5
Oh that's right, Sam and Steve. I remember Gein was reading about headhunters. Tanning would be part of that process of shrinking heads. He could be more like a Jeffrey Dahmer who wanted to keep people. A keeper of people rather than a killer.
I doubt Gein was a candidate for transgender. I just think he wanted to be more attractive or likable. What would be more attractive to him where he is? That to him would be his mother. Even if she was a holy atrocity he adored her and thought she was everything. I think there are guys like that so I don't have an issue with the concept of envy itself.
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Post by steve on Apr 24, 2018 22:41:09 GMT -5
Oh that's right, Sam and Steve. I remember Gein was reading about headhunters. Tanning would be part of that process of shrinking heads. He could be more like a Jeffrey Dahmer who wanted to keep people. A keeper of people rather than a killer. Buffalo Bill was a keeper of people too. He obviously felt that was his only way of keeping people in his life. I just wonder if someone like Bill would think differently if he thought he had the evil eye and that's why he couldn't keep people from leaving. Maybe if poor people thought they had the evil eye, they'd think differently about the rich in their gated communities and ivory towers. I doubt Gein was a candidate for transgender. I just think he wanted to be more attractive or likeable. What would be more attractive to him where he is? That to him would be his mother. Even if she was a holy atrocity he adored her and thought she was everything. I think there are guys like that so I don't have an issue with the concept of envy itself. Buffalo Bill was a fictional character, so whatever he was started in the mind of Thomas Harris. Ed Gein used the skins of the women that he dug up from the cemetery to make women's shoes, handbags, lampshades, to cover chairs and all kinds of things. I think that he was a frustrated taxidermist, but he liked using women instead of animals. I found these photos of a chair he made and a lamp using a human spine.
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Post by Isbeau on Apr 27, 2018 18:34:11 GMT -5
I think Thomas Harris knew something although he sat in class in Quantico and said nothing. Are we debunking something? I'm not sure what's being debunked.
Many people believe what Ed Gein said - that he wanted a sex change. He only said that under arrest and incarcerated. I don't think he was a real transsexual. He just worshiped his mother. He chose women that looked like her. I say he did covet like Thomas Harris said. His take on Gein is correct except Bill was more of a transsexual. He made it fictional because the movies need younger more attractive victims.
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Post by Sam on Apr 27, 2018 21:21:09 GMT -5
I think Thomas Harris knew something although he sat in class in Quantico and said nothing. Are we debunking something? I'm not sure what's being debunked. Many people believe what Ed Gein said - that he wanted a sex change. He only said that under arrest and incarcerated. I don't think he was a real transsexual. He just worshiped his mother. He chose women that looked like her. I say he did covet like Thomas Harris said. His take on Gein is correct except Bill was more of a transsexual. He made it fictional because the movies need younger more attractive victims. I'm not trying to debunk anything. I never understood what vquest was trying to say about envy and the evil eye.
I could be wrong, but I don't remember anything about Ed Gein saying that he wanted a sex change.
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Post by Isbeau on Apr 28, 2018 0:24:36 GMT -5
Harold Schechter in Deviant and the book Crime: An Encyclopedia both agree he "considered" or "toyed" with the idea of the sex change. That doesn't mean he's a transsexual candidate. You don't have to want a sex change to envy but it will cross the envy-er's mind. I don't discount it. It's in the Bible. The Jews' morning prayer has words of protection against the evil eye.
You can be envious of anything. I can envy your car but I won't go crazy on you because you won't let me get in and drive off with it. There're other ones exactly like it. I can just go save up for one myself. It's different depending on what you envy. And it's considered one of the seven deadly sins.
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Post by pat on Apr 28, 2018 10:06:50 GMT -5
Harold Schechter in Deviant and the book Crime: An Encyclopedia both agree he "considered" or "toyed" with the idea of the sex change. That doesn't mean he's a transsexual candidate. You don't have to want a sex change to envy but it will cross the envy-er's mind. I don't discount it. It's in the Bible. The Jews' morning prayer has words of protection against the evil eye. You can be envious of anything. I can envy your car but I won't go crazy on you because you won't let me get in and drive off with it. There're other ones exactly like it. I can just go save up for one myself. It's different depending on what you envy. And it's considered one of the seven deadly sins. I remember when Ed Gein was arrested in the late 50's. Though I was a kid at the time, we all read everything that we could find out about him in newspapers and magazines. There was no such thing as sex change operations back then and he spent the rest of his life in prison, so how could he have considered or toyed with the idea of sex change? I've found that you can't believe everything authors say about serial killers. We have a lot of serial killers here in Florida and some of the books and documentaries about them get a lot of things wrong.
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Post by steve on Apr 28, 2018 19:55:39 GMT -5
Harold Schechter in Deviant and the book Crime: An Encyclopedia both agree he "considered" or "toyed" with the idea of the sex change. That doesn't mean he's a transsexual candidate. You don't have to want a sex change to envy but it will cross the envy-er's mind. I don't discount it. It's in the Bible. The Jews' morning prayer has words of protection against the evil eye. You can be envious of anything. I can envy your car but I won't go crazy on you because you won't let me get in and drive off with it. There're other ones exactly like it. I can just go save up for one myself. It's different depending on what you envy. And it's considered one of the seven deadly sins.
I know of a case of a serial killer who wanted to be a woman. I was the "helper" on one of the Mystery Locations, which was the house where Richard Speck killed all of the nurses. Later on in prison, he took female hormones and grew breasts. Someone was sneaking him the hormones because he couldn't get them legally in prison. whatliesbeyond.boards.net/thread/7130/mystery-location-59-july-2017
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Post by Isbeau on May 1, 2018 1:05:44 GMT -5
What do you know? Tooth Fairy was based on BTK!
"Inspiration Harris loosely based Francis Dolarhyde on the then-unidentified serial killer known as "BTK" (Bind, Torture, Kill), who at the time of the book's publication was terrorizing Kansas with a series of murders, beginning with the murder of an entire family in their own home. Like Dolarhyde, BTK engaged in necrophiliac acts with his victims' bodies; he also wrote letters to the police alluding to an abusive childhood and being under the control of an outside influence, which he referred to as "Factor X". Harris had consulted with FBI Agent John E. Douglas prior to writing the book, and Douglas had served as a consultant on the BTK case for Kansas police. Harris was so impressed with Douglas that he borrowed aspects of his life story and personality for Will Graham and Jack Crawford."
I think Douglas should be impressed with Harris. This was before BTK was caught. He had the animal abuse, B&E, photography with a Polaroid. Annette Funicello fixation versus woman clothed in the sun.
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