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Post by jane on Sept 20, 2017 7:56:21 GMT -5
I think ghosts are all dead people but this creature said that Mark summoned it from the dark. I might not have read all his posts carefully but I don't think the creature spoke about her life as a human. The manipulative way that it tries to bind Mark by saying it is keeping his wife and children safe and that without its intervention dangerous spirits would be after them smacks to me of the sort of thing daemons do. It's malicious for a start. Then there's the sexual seduction which is typical succubus. And that's daemon not demon. They've never been human and while not being entirely bad, they like to manipulate people out of vanity and the hope of getting power over them. As you probably guessed from my posts I am a Catholic but having read some of the famous accounts of children's encounters with visions of the Virgin Mary e.g. Fatima, Lourdes, Knock, I have to conclude that these are daemons too - I'm sure the real Virgin Mary wouldn't demand churches built in her honour. In these encounters the children see the vision and they call it Mary and then the creature agrees. The RC church may have misgivings, but is happy to go along with it because it increases the faith of the people. I think in classic times they were thought of as nature spirits. There are also what ancient people knew as nature spirits and they didn't become "demons" until the new religion called Christianity decided they were of the devil, which didn't exist until then either.
I'm surprised that as a Catholic that you would say that visions of the Virgin Mary such as Lourdes were demons because she asked that a church be built. A church at the site where the Virgin was seen would bring hundreds of thousands to the Catholic faith, at least it would have back then, and isn't that what Christianity is all about? Converts?
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Post by jason on Sept 21, 2017 11:13:12 GMT -5
And that's daemon not demon. In America, an evil spirit is a "demon," not a "daemon." Brits and Americans spell and define some words differently. For example: In America, it's defense, not defence; fetus, not foetus; program, not programme; check, not cheque .... "Daemon," from the Ancient Greek, means a spiritual being somewhere between a god and a human being, or the spirit of a fallen hero. Daemons are good or helpful spirits. "Demons" are bad.
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Post by lilith on Sept 22, 2017 4:59:29 GMT -5
There are also what ancient people knew as nature spirits and they didn't become "demons" until the new religion called Christianity decided they were of the devil, which didn't exist until then either.
I'm surprised that as a Catholic that you would say that visions of the Virgin Mary such as Lourdes were demons because she asked that a church be built. A church at the site where the Virgin was seen would bring hundreds of thousands to the Catholic faith, at least it would have back then, and isn't that what Christianity is all about? Converts? That is exactly why the RC church went along with it - to grow and deepen the faith, which results in saving more people. But I don't think every time we meet a spirit we should take it at face value. To say that all spirits are good is deeply naïve. Crossed arms and a raised eyebrow is a better approach. The supposed visions of the Virgin Mary were full of warnings and demands - while the Mary in the Gospels was there for her son, not her own aggrandisement. One of the early church councils decreed that all images of Mary should show her with Jesus, preferably pointing to him as the source of salvation. This was to stop a Mary cult growing into a form of Goddess worship. I know you're having a go at Christianity.
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Post by jane on Sept 22, 2017 5:59:28 GMT -5
That is exactly why the RC church went along with it - to grow and deepen the faith, which results in saving more people. But I don't think every time we meet a spirit we should take it at face value. To say that all spirits are good is deeply naïve. Crossed arms and a raised eyebrow is a better approach. The supposed visions of the Virgin Mary were full of warnings and demands - while the Mary in the Gospels was there for her son, not her own aggrandisement. One of the early church councils decreed that all images of Mary should show her with Jesus, preferably pointing to him as the source of salvation. This was to stop a Mary cult growing into a form of Goddess worship. I know you're having a go at Christianity. I don't believe all spirits are good. Even all Christmas spirits aren't considered good: look at Krampus and the "lads" of Iceland. I don't believe that all spirits are those of the dead and even those spirits that are ghosts of the dead wouldn't all be considered good because people who are obnoxious in life wouldn't be any different after they died. The same is true of other types of spirits and though I don't really believe in demons (regardless of how it's spelled), it stands to reason that all nature spirits, elementals, or whatever name they're called, wouldn't all be good either.
I would say that whoever wanted to prevent a "Mary cult" failed. The Catholic church itself seems to be built around a cult of Mary, rather than Jesus Christ.
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Post by markw on Sept 24, 2017 14:51:45 GMT -5
Jane, Sorry for the delay in answering, I've been traveling lately and work has been really rough. I think it was her that visited my hotel near the end of August and she may have been back again just last week. I was in Germany in an apartment I rented for the ten days I was there, and the old moving things around was happening nearly every day. Doors closing and then later opening, finding cabinet doors open, that kind of thing. Was what she used to do a long time ago. I didn't think about her at all until the first event happened, then it was impossible not to think about it. As I haven't continued on with the whole story, I think I left off in 2011 or so and she was pretty constant until the late summer of 2014. I had seen her again when I was in Romania, and a couple days later I was in an accident, broke my back. I healed fairly well, it just took time and I had not thought of her or had any contact until January or so of this year. I clean the house as she taught me every year, and nothing has happened here at all in quite a while.. but it started again while I was away for work in January and February which triggered me to write about it. And yes, I do think that thinking about her then leads to her visits, sure seems that way. For quite a while back in 2011-2012 I was thinking too much about her, was no way not to when she was so in my life so much - these were not events I could just dismiss and not think about. I have not seen her since August 2014 though, just have these things happen like they used to in the 80s and early 90s like she is reminding me that she is still there.
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