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Post by Graveyardbride on Sept 24, 2014 8:15:31 GMT -5
Exploring Electronic Voice PhenomenaJolyon Jenkins reports on the world of electronic voice phenomena (EVP) – the community of people who believe the dead can speak to us through radio transmissions and white noise. The technique was introduced to the English-speaking world by a mysterious Latvian, Dr. Konstantin Raudive (above), who traveled to Britain in 1969 with recordings of Hitler, Churchill and Stalin speaking from beyond the grave. The method is now a mainstay of paranormal investigators. Jolyon unearths tapes from 40 years ago made at a key séance held by Dr. Raudive in Gerrards Cross. Raudive eventually came to believe a budgerigar called Putzi was passing on messages from a dead 14-year-old girl. Jolyon speaks to EVP current practitioners and to a man who believes his recordings of animal noises also contain messages.
The claims are improbable, but they reveal interesting things about human perception: about our ability to construct meaning from meaningless sound and how our brains naturally fill in the gaps where information is incomplete. Optical illusions are well-known, but we are equally prone to being fooled by audio illusions. Sound artist Joe Banks suggests that while EVP researchers may be carrying out parapsychology experiments, they are unwittingly conducting conventional psychology experiments.
Click on the link below and listen to the 28-minute audio:www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01rg1ghSource: Out of the Ordinary, September 23, 2014.
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Post by jason on Sept 29, 2014 17:29:49 GMT -5
There's something I don't understand about EVP. Well, actually, there are a lot of things I don't understand about EVP, like how can a person of normal intelligence believe people suddenly lose their ability to speak when they die. But another thing is how the heck does a dead person communicate in a language he couldn't speak while alive? Hitler's allegedly speaking in Latvian reminds me of Arthur Conan Doyle and his wife claiming Houdini's mother communicated in English through automatic writing, when she could not read or write in English. When asked how this could happen, Conan Doyle reportedly said, "Perhaps she learned English after she died!" If Hitler, or anyone else, were going to bother learning a different language after death, you can bet it wouldn't be freaking Latvian! Furthermore, if the dead were, indeed, communicating, their communications wouldn't have to be interpreted by some ghostbuster, they would speak clearly where they could be easily understood. |
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Post by pat on Oct 1, 2014 13:25:54 GMT -5
I listened to the audio and I didn't hear anything like what the person doing the recording said he heard. I also can't understand why anyone would think that the dead would speak by making garbled sounds when there are many cases of the dead speaking clearly.
If someone in the group is into EVP, I'd like for them to explain why they don't think that a ghost could speak clearly if they wanted to communicate with the living.
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Post by aprillynn93 on Oct 2, 2014 14:22:29 GMT -5
I do like EVP, but I will only consider it if it is completely clear and intelligible. It also has to make sense in context with the situation or question asked. One word responses are not good enough either. It must be a concise sentence. Anything that does not meet all this criteria I dismiss. EVP that does meet this criteria are VERY rare. I have heard only a scant few in all my years involved with the paranormal that I think may be authentic communication. I cannot say though that even these few are ghosts speaking to us, but I cannot explain them either. The fact that I can't explain them leaves me open to the possibility that they are spirit communication.
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Post by natalie on Oct 7, 2014 11:56:36 GMT -5
So is EVP the only actual method to hearing from a deceased loved one?
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Post by aprillynn93 on Oct 7, 2014 13:08:57 GMT -5
Not at all. There is a phenomenon called "disembodied voice" which is when a voice is actually heard by ear. Also many believe spirits can visit you in your dreams, which I tend to believe myself.
Of course none of this has been proven. People have heard disembodied voices, but there is no proof that they are from a spirit or other intelligent being.
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Post by chris on Sept 8, 2023 5:19:51 GMT -5
Not at all. There is a phenomenon called "disembodied voice" which is when a voice is actually heard by ear. Also many believe spirits can visit you in your dreams, which I tend to believe myself. Of course none of this has been proven. People have heard disembodied voices, but there is no proof that they are from a spirit or other intelligent being. If a disembodied voice isn't from a spirit or other intelligent being, then what could it be from? |
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Post by aprillynn93 on Sept 8, 2023 19:17:52 GMT -5
Not at all. There is a phenomenon called "disembodied voice" which is when a voice is actually heard by ear. Also many believe spirits can visit you in your dreams, which I tend to believe myself. Of course none of this has been proven. People have heard disembodied voices, but there is no proof that they are from a spirit or other intelligent being. If a disembodied voice isn't from a spirit or other intelligent being, then what could it be from? Of course it depends on the situation, but the most obvious explanation is that it could be from a living person. It could from an actual person present, or a radio, or a TV, phone, etc. You would have to be able to rule out all normal things before you could ever really think it was paranormal. Sound can travel in ways that you wouldn't expect. |
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Post by serena on Sept 10, 2023 8:27:19 GMT -5
Of course it depends on the situation, but the most obvious explanation is that it could be from a living person. It could from an actual person present, or a radio, or a TV, phone, etc. |
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Post by aprillynn93 on Sept 10, 2023 16:47:55 GMT -5
Of course it depends on the situation, but the most obvious explanation is that it could be from a living person. It could from an actual person present, or a radio, or a TV, phone, etc. Right. I was originally answering Natalie's question, "So is EVP the only actual method to hearing from a deceased loved one?" I was trying to explain that wasn't the case. Then I was answering Chris's question. In the context of paranormal investigating, a voice heard by ear is a disembodied voice, but that is assuming there is no normal explanation. Perhaps I caused confusion by adding in the normal explanations part. |
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