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Post by Graveyardbride on Aug 5, 2014 15:16:37 GMT -5
Marilyn Monroe Death Conspiracy Theories: Who or What Killed Marilyn?
Fifty-two years after her death on August 5, 1962, Marilyn Monroe is still arguably the world’s most famous blonde. In death, she is every bit as fascinating as she was in life. And the mystery surrounding her final hours has led to endless speculation – was it suicide, a cover-up or murder?
Suicide. The coroner’s finding was probable suicide by barbiturates (depressants). The report read: “Miss Monroe has suffered from psychiatric disturbance for a long time. On more than one occasion … when disappointed or depressed, she has made a suicide attempt. On these occasions, she had been rescued. It is our opinion the same pattern was repeated [on August 4] except for the rescue.” Marilyn had indeed overdosed many times before and was reportedly very disturbed in the weeks before her death.
Coverup. Others argue that had Marilyn overdosed on pills, traces would have been found in the stomach during the autopsy (they weren’t). Also, police did not find a glass or cup in her bedroom, so how did she swallow the capsules. Instead, many believe the fatal dose was administered via enema, suggesting someone else was involved. Add to this inconsistencies in witness statements, evidence destroyed and lost hours ....
The official story goes that Marilyn’s housekeeper Eunice Murray awakened at 3.30 a.m. and saw Marilyn’s light on and discovered the door was locked. She called psychiatrist, Dr. Ralph Greenson. He arrived shortly thereafter, went to the bedroom window and saw Marilyn lying on the bed. He broke the window and entered to find her dead, face down, still holding the telephone. But, in later interviews, Mrs. Murray said she discovered the body “about midnight,” before hurriedly back-tracking. Marilyn’s publicist, Arthur Jacobs, was, according to his wife, told of her overdose as early as 10.30 p.m. and Peter Lawford knew she was dead by 1 o’clock. The police weren’t notified until 4.30 a.m. So what happened in those lost hours?
An investigation in 1982 by the Los Angeles District Attorney revealed an ambulance was called to the house while Marilyn was still alive. Walt Schaefer, head of Schaefer Ambulance, told interviewers the ambulance “took her to Santa Monica Hospital. She passed away at the hospital.” Her body was later returned home. The first police officer to arrive, Jack Clemmons, believed the death scene was staged. The room was tidy, the linen fresh and Mrs. Murray was doing laundry. Something was amiss, but what?
Murder. Implicated in theories of foul play are Robert F. “Bobby” Kennedy, Peter Lawford, the Mafia and Dr Greenson. It is claimed both Kennedy brothers had relationships with Marilyn and may have discussed political secrets with her. When she was allegedly rejected by first Jack, then Bobby, she threatened to go public with the affairs and more. With evidence Bobby was in California that weekend, did he order, or have a hand in, her death? Was the delay in calling the police to allow Bobby time to get away and for others to clear the room?
Wiretapper Bernard Spindel had bugged Marilyn’s house, possibly for Jimmy Hoffa or Mafia boss, Sam Giancana, and later sensationally claimed to have listened to an argument between Bobby and Marilyn that night, with Lawford present, during which there was a loud bang, alleged to be the moment she died. The tapes were seized by the district attorney in 1966 and “routinely destroyed.”
Others say the Mafia carried out the killing, either to frame the Kennedys or prevent Marilyn’s exposing their own secrets. They may even have been acting on behalf of Bobby Kennedy. More salacious are claims Dr. Greenson was having an affair with his patient and, terrified of being unmasked, administered a lethal injection at the behest of Bobby Kennedy. Ambulance attendant, John Hall, once said he witnessed the injection to her heart.
The truth? The murder theories seem fanciful at best, given credence only because of a seriously bungled investigation. The likeliest explanation is an overdose, with the Kennedys and others taking the opportunity to destroy any damaging evidence in its wake.
Marilyn once said to friend Whitney Snyder, “If anything happens to me, promise me you’ll make me up.” She would get her wish, starting with what happened on that final, fateful night.Source: Metro, August 5, 2014.
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Post by Kate on Aug 5, 2014 17:07:47 GMT -5
I read that she threatened to call a press conference and reveal her affairs with JFK and Bobby and that would have been reason enough for them to want her dead.
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Post by aprillynn93 on Aug 6, 2014 10:52:11 GMT -5
I was watching something on Marilyn Monroe a while back. Seems there were many people that had motive to kill her. That girl got herself into a huge mess. It's no wonder someone killed her.
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Post by natalie on Aug 6, 2014 15:22:57 GMT -5
I see someone voted for accidental overdose as the cause of death. I am curious as to that person's reasons for thinking that was the reason for Marilyn's demise, if he/she does not mind revealing his/her identity.
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Post by aprillynn93 on Aug 7, 2014 11:50:24 GMT -5
That was what was listed as the cause of death at the time. I think that's the official ruling. That's not what I voted...just saying.
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Post by Kate on Aug 9, 2014 23:10:54 GMT -5
Doesn't look like the person who voted for accidental overdose is going to tell why he or she voted that way. I would also be interested to know their reasons.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Aug 5, 2017 12:38:28 GMT -5
Marilyn Monroe’s Death Still a Mystery 55 Years LaterFifty-five years ago, the world lost a luminous legend of the screen when Marilyn Monroe died at the age of 36 on Aug. 5, 1962, of a barbiturate overdose. Although Monroe’s death was officially ruled a “probable suicide” by the Los Angeles County coroner’s office, mystery has surrounded her untimely passing, with some speculating that her alleged affairs with President John F. Kennedy and his brother, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, may have played a role.
Before she died, Monroe’s personal life was a shambles: Thrice divorced, she wasn’t a mother (her fondest wish), and many believe she’d had, or was still having, affairs with both the Kennedy brothers. It was reported that she had been threatening to hold a press conference divulging her relationships with them.
Rumors about Monroe’s alleged affair with JFK were spurred in part by her sultry “Happy Birthday” performance for the commander-in-chief at his 45th birthday celebration at Madison Square Garden May 19, 1962, just weeks before the film star’s death. A rare photo taken after the performance during a party at the home of movie executive Arthur Krim is reportedly the only known image of either Kennedy with Monroe. White House photographer Cecil Stoughton, who took the photo, kept it a secret for decades before releasing it in 2010.
“What happened to Marilyn Monroe is one of the great mysteries of the 20th century,” her biographer James Spada told People in 2012, ahead of the 50th anniversary of the star’s death. Though Spada doesn’t believe there’s any proof that the Kennedys were responsible for Monroe’s death, he said, “It was pretty clear that Marilyn had had sexual relations with both Bobby and Jack.” According to Spada, actor Peter Lawford introduced Monroe to JFK in 1954. But when Kennedy tired of her, he passed her off to his brother. This happened, according to Spada, in the spring of 1962. And witnesses claim to have heard a disturbing tape from the bugged Monroe home the night of her death on which the voices of Lawford, an angry Bobby Kennedy and a screaming Monroe are audible.
During a 1983 BBC interview that Monroe biographer Anthony Summers conducted with the star’s former live-in housekeeper, Eunice Murray, he said there was a “moment where she put her head in her hands and said words to the effect of, ‘Oh, why do I have to keep covering this up?’ I said, ‘Covering what up, Mrs. Murray?’ She answered, ‘Well of course Bobby Kennedy was there [on Aug. 4], and of course there was an affair with Bobby Kennedy.’”
A so-called suicide squad was formed to investigate Monroe’s death. But according to Donald Wolfe, author of The Last Days of Marilyn Monroe, this squad never interviewed Murray, publicist Pat Newcomb, Lawford or any of the Kennedys. According to biographer Summers, “Both the forensic work and the police investigations were hopelessly flawed.”
Further fueling the theory that the Kennedys were involved in Marilyn’s death is the fact that a couple of people close to the investigation were later given high-profile new jobs. Publicist Pat Newcomb (who has never definitively spoken about Monroe’s death) “was spirited off to [the Kennedy compound in] Hyannis Port,” Michael Selsman, who worked for Monroe’s publicist, told People in 2012. “Six months later she was awarded a job in the U.S. Information Agency in Washington, D.C.”
Spada said, “There had to have been” a Kennedy-related cover-up, though not necessarily of murder. “The Kennedys could not risk this coming out, because it could have brought down the President. But the cover-up that was designed to prevent anyone from finding out that Marilyn was involved intimately with the Kennedy family has been misinterpreted as a cover-up of their having murdered her,” he said.
In his 1997 book The Dark Side of Camelot, journalist Seymour Hersh wrote about the rumored affair between Monroe and JFK, saying the actress’ “instability posed a constant threat” to the president before she mysteriously overdosed.
Jerry Blaine, a former Secret Service agent in the Kennedy detail, told People that he was with JFK during two known encounters the president had with Monroe – one at Lawford’s Santa Monica home in 1961, and another at the party in New York following the “Happy Birthday” performance. “He probably thanked her for singing. But they weren’t alone,” said Blaine, who added that he “never saw any evidence of an affair … but I don’t know what happened behind closed doors.”Dinner with DiMaggio: Memories of an American HeroMarilyn’s second husband, baseball great Joe DiMaggio, blamed the Kennedys for her death, according to Dr. Rock Positano, who, along with brother John Positano, wrote the 2017 biography Dinner with DiMaggio: Memories of an American Hero. “The whole lot of Kennedys were lady-killers,” DiMaggio told Positano, according to the book, “and they always got away with it. They’ll be getting away with it a hundred years from now.” The baseball star added, “I always knew who killed her, but I didn’t want to start a revolution in this country. She told me someone would do her in, but I kept quiet. They [the Kennedys] did in my poor Marilyn. She didn’t know what hit her.” According to Positano, “The understanding was that her involvement with … the Kennedy clan put her in a position where maybe it wasn’t good for her mental health or her emotional health. He didn’t think they were good people for her to be around.”
DiMaggio’s love for actress Marilyn is well catalogued, but the new biography reveals the qualities he loved most about her, why they divorced, and whom he blamed for her death. “Joe was very honored and privileged to have Marilyn Monroe as his wife, which is why he was so fiercely protective of her,” Positano writes. “He felt that she was very vulnerable and very sweet and that it was very easy for people to take advantage of her.”
In the book, Dr. Positano recounts what he learned over the course of his ten-year friendship with the centerfielder who was 40 years his senior. They met after Positano helped DiMaggio with an old heel spur injury and most of their deep conversations occurred in restaurants throughout New York City. In one of their more intimate chats, Positano learned that DiMaggio loved his sexual connection with Marilyn. Both divorcees, Monroe and DiMaggio married in 1954, but split just nine months later. “When we got together in the bedroom, it was like the gods were fighting; there were thunderclouds and lightning above us,” Positano says DiMaggio told him. But he loved Marilyn for more than her body: “He thought [Monroe] was highly intelligent.”
In the book, he paints a portrait of DiMaggio (who died in 1999) as a multi-talented, whip-smart “Renaissance man,” who was drawn to the actress because of her talent. “He had an unbelievable eye for movies … He had a tremendous amount of respect for Marilyn because she was a really great actress,” Positano added.
While Monroe’s vulnerability ultimately entranced DiMaggio, Positano says she was drawn to his caring personality. “The love he had with Marilyn – he was this gentleman [type],” he continued. “That’s why American women would be in love with Joe DiMaggio today. He had a nurturing, caring way about him.”
Despite their connection, not everyone approved of their relationship. In Dinner with DiMaggio, Positano writes about the time Archbishop Fulton Sheen (the first “televangelical leader”) called DiMaggio into his office. The Archbishop allegedly told the baseball hero that he should never have married Marilyn, explaining “this isn’t the type of woman who gives people moral values.” Allegedly, DiMaggio told Shee, “No one is going to tell me who to love and who to marry!” and stormed out of the office.
While he repeatedly defended his short marriage to Monroe, the book reveals that DiMaggio did have some issues with the iconic star. For one, he complained that she “wouldn’t take a bath for days.” However, according to the book, his main issue with his wife was her inability to get pregnant. “From Joe’s point of view, they didn’t stay married because Marilyn was not able to have children,” Positano explained, “It was as simple as that. It was not about the published reports of jealousy and not wanting to take a back seat to her fame. Joe wanted kids with Marilyn, and she wanted to reward him with a family. In Italian terms, sex meant kids. Great sex meant great kids. Marilyn gave goddess sex, but no kids.” (Monroe cited “mental cruelty” as the reason for the split.) DiMaggio was estranged from his only child, Joe Jr., from his first marriage to actress Dorothy Arnold. According to Positano, that didn’t stop DiMaggio’s loving his son and the idea of family.
Although Marilyn went on to wed playwright Arthur Miller, she sought affection from DiMaggio after that union ended in divorce in 1961. Though The Yankee Clipper’s pride seemingly prevented his rekindling their romance, he continued caring for his former wife – so much so that his friendship with Frank Sinatra was ruined after the singer introduced her to the Kennedy family. At one of his dinners with Positano, DiMaggio allegedly said, “They did in my poor Marilyn. She didn’t know what hit her.”
Unfortunately, DiMaggio’s fierce protectiveness and love for Monroe weren’t enough to save her. “I’ll go to the grave regretting and blaming myself for what happened to her,” DiMaggio lamented. “Sinatra told me later that ‘Marilyn loved me anyway, to the end.’” To clarify DiMaggio’s harsh statements, Positano writes: “The understanding was that her involvement with Mr. Sinatra and the Kennedy clan put her in a position where maybe it wasn’t good for her mental health or her emotional health. He didn’t think they were good people for her to be around.”
Sources: Tierney McAfee, People, August 4, 2017, and Sam Gillette, People, May 9, 2017.
See also “Fans Gather in Westwood to Remember”: whatliesbeyond.boards.net/thread/2162/fans-gather-westwood-remember-marilyn
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Post by kitty on Aug 5, 2017 15:15:07 GMT -5
They were only married 9 months, so how would he have known that she couldn't get pregnant? Didn't she have a miscarriage when she was married to Arthur Miller? I think that the author just made up a bunch of stuff.
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Post by pat on Aug 6, 2017 12:57:28 GMT -5
They were only married 9 months, so how would he have known that she couldn't get pregnant? Didn't she have a miscarriage when she was married to Arthur Miller? I think that the author just made up a bunch of stuff.
I thought the very same thing when I read that paragraph. I've read that she had at least one miscarriage when she was married to Arthur Miller. There were also rumors that she was pregnant just before she died and had an abortion. The story was that Bobby Kennedy was the father. I don't really believe the part about the abortion because I think that if she had been pregnant by one of the Kennedys, that she would have wanted to keep the baby.
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Post by kitty on Aug 5, 2018 20:50:05 GMT -5
I saw that the Thought for the Day was a quote by Marilyn, but it just dawned on me that this is the day that she died 56 years ago.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Aug 5, 2018 21:39:42 GMT -5
Joe DiMaggio Blamed Kennedys for Marilyn’s Death
As fans mark the 56th anniversary of the death of Marilyn Monroe, it’s worth mentioning that Joe DiMaggion, her second husband, blamed the Kennedys for her death.
Marilyn allegedly had affairs with both President John F. Kennedy and his brother Bobby and DiMaggio hated them for it. He was convinced their secret relationships with his ex-wife drove her over the edge of no return. He blamed the star’s drug and alcohol addiction, as well as her death from an apparent overdose, on the Kennedy brothers and crooner Frank Sinatra, DiMaggio’s confidant Morris Engelberg revealed to Vanity Fair in 2000. Three years later, when he wrote his book, DiMaggio: Setting the Record Straight, Engelberg went farther, claiming DiMaggio, speaking of the Kennedys, told him, “They murdered the one person I loved.”
For years, conspiracy theorists have speculated Marilyn may have been killed by the Kennedys because they wanted to keep their affairs with her secret and/or because she knew too much about various political matters. Engelberg said the ex-husband who never forgot her, DiMaggio, shed no tears when the Kennedys were assassinated. According to his book, DiMaggio believed “they got what they deserved.” Engelberg also recalled that DiMaggio refused to shake Bobby Kennedy’s hand when they met at New York’s Yankee Stadium.
Just a few years before he died, the former athlete agreed to go to the Kennedy Center only if no member of the Kennedy family would be there, the attorney remembered. When Engelberg asked him why, DiMaggio replied, “What they did to me will never be forgotten.”
Lovesick DiMaggio mourned Marilyn until the day he died. Every week, for more than 20 years, he arranged for her favorite flowers – red roses – to be placed in the vase on her tomb three times a week. He never married again and died in 1999 at the age of 84. Engelberg said the Yankees star died saying, “I’ll finally get to see Marilyn.”
Source: RadarOnline, August 5, 2018.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Jan 10, 2020 4:45:11 GMT -5
Box of Sealed Documents Pertaining to Marilyn Monroe Discovered at UCLAA box containing documents pertaining to Marilyn Monroe that have been sealed until 2039 could prove she was murdered by her obsessed psychiatrist, claims a private investigator. The papers belonged to Dr Ralph Greenson (above), who discovered her body and is suspected by some of administering the barbiturate overdose that killed her in 1962.
Private detective Becky Aldrige found “Box 29” at the UCLA library, where it will remain sealed to the public for another two decades, despite a list of contents showing it contains a trove of files about his most famous patient. According to Aldridge, Greenson killed the actress after she threatened to reveal her affairs with John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert F. “Bobby” Kennedy, and what he did haunted him for the remainder of his life.
“I have always believed Marilyn Monroe was murdered,” Aldrige writes. “If you look at all of the stories, books, testimonies, and even evidence, then there is no reason that Marilyn Monroe’s death certificate should not be changed from probable suicide to murder.”
Aldrige has created a petition requesting the finding of “probable suicide” be stricken from Marilyn’s death certificate and for the death to be re-investigated as homicide. She is asking that the attorney general speak with two individuals whom she says are alive today who were never asked to give a statement, but “were present when Marilyn Monroe took her last breath.” They are Los Angeles Police Sgt. Marvin D. Iannone, later promoted to Chief of the Beverly Hills Police Department, and Patricia “Pat” Newcomb, Marilyn’s press agent and friend. According to Aldrige, Newcomb left the country after Monroe’s funeral in 1962 and traveled around Europe for six months.
She also claims Iannone dismissed the other officers at Monroe’s home at 12305 5th Helena Drive, Brentwood, on the day the star died. She adds that “time is running out” because Iannone is now 83-years-old and Newcomb is 88.
There have long been conspiracy theories surrounding Marilyn’s death. The official account is that Marilyn was found dead by Dr Greenson, who broke into her bedroom after being called to the home by the housekeeper in the early hours of the morning.
The actress died from acute barbiturate poisoning as a result of an overdose of chloral hydrate and pentobarbital. Because she had well-documented bouts of depression and prior overdoses, a finding of “probable suicide” was reached by the coroner.
However, investigators such as Aldrige believe Marilyn’s alleged affairs with the Kennedy brothers could provide a motivation for Dr Greenson’s being asked to administer an overdose. In an interview with The Sun, Aldridge said she was stunned to discover that Greenson, who died in 1979, left a box of sealed documents. “I spent hours looking at everything I was allowed to – I couldn’t make copies or take pictures, so I just took notes,” she told the paper. “I discovered he was obsessed with Marilyn Monroe because he had every book, every magazine, every newspaper that was ever written about Marilyn Monroe, everything,” Aldrige explained. “Then there were letters that were written to him, people telling him to kill himself because they thought it was his fault she was dead. I remember thinking ‘Why did you save this?’ ... There is also letters in there to Marilyn Monroe from other people – and letters she wrote to other people – why does he even have those? There’s also some of his confidential medical files and another file that doesn't say what it is.”
Aldrige adds that in Marilyn’s previous suicide attempts, she had left a note, but on the night of her death, there was none. She also cites the mysterious bruises on Marailyn’s hips, a common injection site, but which could also indicate violence.
In addition she claims Marilyn’s housekeeper, Eunice Murray, said she became concerned about the light on in the star’s bedroom. But even if this had concerned her, Aldrige finds it strange she called Greenson before emergency services. Furthermore, she alleges Murray had a master key and Greenson’s breaking a window to get into the bedroom made no sense.
Aldrige also says Pat Newcomb told her Marilyn had a diary that mysteriously “disappeared” at the time of her death.
Aldrige believes Marilyn was killed after threatening to go public about her affairs with the Kennedy brothers. She alleges an ambulance arrived at the star’s home, but before she could be transported to the hospital, Greenson intervened, taking charge and administering the fatal injection.
“The one thing that has never changed in over 53 years is the people involved, the time frame of events and the real manner of death,” Aldrige writes. “Marilyn deserves this change.”Source: Ross Ibbetson, The Daily Mail, January 9, 2020.
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Post by madeline on Jan 10, 2020 10:33:27 GMT -5
Except for the box of documents that are sealed, this detective doesn't say anything that hasn't been said before.
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Post by pat on Jan 10, 2020 16:18:08 GMT -5
A lot of people said she had a diary that disappeared at the time of her death. I remember reading about it in a book way back in the '70s.
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Post by pat on Aug 4, 2023 15:52:42 GMT -5
I just read an article about a book that came out today in which the author claims that Marilyn called the private bedroom phone at the Kennedy compound in March of 1962. He also claims that Jackie Kennedy, who answered the call, was "haunted" by it for the rest of her life, although she was never sure the caller was Marilyn or someone playing a joke on her. As usual in books like this, everyone the author names as a source is dead, so there's no way to check if he's telling the truth. He also says that Marilyn and JFK spent just one weekend together, and he denies that Bobby Kennedy had an affair with her. The book is Jackie: Public, Private, Secret by J. Randy Taraborrelli.
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