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Post by tee2000 on Sept 10, 2016 5:35:52 GMT -5
I'd like to know why the DNA records were sealed. Lets be realistic here Darlie did not and could not have them sealed herself this notion comes from a women called cami lee who has a blog full of misinformation and a general hatred for Darlie. This case is still going through appeals and DNA is not yet complete. As this is such a high profile case it makes sense to seal the records until everything is complete.
I have a copy of the recent DNA results and there was unknown male DNA identified. What is also telling is there is a lack of DNA supporting Tom Bevels cast off theory to this day!
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Post by tee2000 on Sept 10, 2016 5:50:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure of the answers to your questions and think that it is irrelevant that she wore shorts to an outside memorial in the summer. To me she looks disheveled just dragged herself up and put on shorts and t-shirt. She wasn't wearing batty riders and a crop top with her face plastered in make-up. Maybe someone else would choose to do that and it be seen as inappropriate. I think its inappropriate that some brides choose to wear bikini to their own wedding but who am I to judge in sure that doesn't necessarily make them a bad person. It was suppose to be a Childs birthday that was planned before this tragedy happened so they had to change the plans and had no choice under the circumstances but to celebrate his birthday at his grave. I feel the whole silly string tape thing is and should have been completely irrelevant to the trial unless she was filmed confessing. What I do find suspicious is how the police went to the effort to wire tap the gravesite but never recorded or taped any of the interviews or interrogations? As aforestated, I do not believe Darlie had a fair trial and her legal representation was sorely lacking. Additionally, I think anyone looking at her wounds would see the cut to her neck and chest would have been difficult for a right-handed woman to inflict on herself. Nevertheless, her actions and those of family members were grossly inappropriate. Not only was Darlie wearing revealing shorts, so was her sister. The whole family was dressed like a bunch of vagabonds, as though they were going to the beach or a barbecue, not attending an event in the graveyard. Not only was their dress inappropriate for a funeral, it was inappropriate for a graveyard event. I realize the family is what people in the South call "white trash," but even the poor and uneducated show respect for the dead. Trashy people often cover graves of loved ones with cheap plastic flowers, or in the case of a child, toys and other junk, but they have sense enough to dress decently at a funeral. Yes, it was one the birthday of one of the boys, but that doesn't excuse the way these people were dressed and how they were acting. If they wanted to throw a birthday party for the dead, they should have had the coffins brought to their home, or arranged to have the party in a private room of the funeral home -- and they should have dressed appropriately.
It's not that unusual for police to place microphones at the graves of murder victims because killers have been known to make incriminating statements when visiting the burial sites of their victims. As I said there's different strikes for different folks. Just because you have conservative views it doesn't make your way right or righteous above others. Romany gypsies dance and wear inappropriate clothing at a young age but they are not sexually active until marriage so what they wear has no bearing on their morality! It was a 7 year olds birthday so I feel silly string etc may have felt like a good idea at the time its not like that was the funeral service!
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Post by Graveyardbride on Sept 10, 2016 6:15:00 GMT -5
As I said there's different strikes for different folks. Just because you have conservative views it doesn't make your way right or righteous above others. Romany gypsies dance and wear inappropriate clothing at a young age but they are not sexually active until marriage so what they wear has no bearing on their morality! It was a 7 year olds birthday so I feel silly string etc may have felt like a good idea at the time its not like that was the funeral service! My views are based on common sense as it applies to funeral customs in the United States.
The Roma culture is different, just as that of the Chinese, etc. The inappropriate dress and actions of the Routier family at the funeral and "party" had nothing to do with culture.
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Post by tee2000 on Sept 10, 2016 6:34:40 GMT -5
This case was reinvestigated by 2 highly experienced homicide detectives that knew nothing about the crime. They even came to the same conclusion that Darie was guilty they even found particles of the screen on a bread knife that was in the knife block. Even the brutality of the crime showed that it was done by someone who was close to the victims. One of the older boys wounds went right through him and into the floor. She s guilty and lethal injection is to kind for her and I don't believe the husband is totally innocent either Two highly experienced detectives, where? are you talking about Cron who was retired at the time and who was a fingerprint expert that could not identify one print. Cron also did not notice the glass lodged in the wine rack until pointed out to him on the stand didn't fit his staging theory? Cron also implicated a suspect 30mins in that is not something an experienced investigator would do im afraid
Oh and Jimmy Patterson the dodgy detective that plead the fifth with a son with a long criminal record that took no notes recorded no interviews and failed to follow up leads and illegally tapped the gravesite also causing the second in command frosh to plead the fifth too!
They never proved those fibres were from the bread knife also who would use a bread knife to cut a screen when you have sharper knives available in that block? Charles linch in an affidavit stated it need to be tested further and that the block and knives were fingerprinted before he received them so could have been secondary transfer from the screen.
There are many cases where people are murdered in their homes by strangers dont let the media give you a false sense of security. In regards to your comment about the boys being stabbed through to the ground is nonsense no exit wounds on either boys autopsy dont make this crime more horrendous than it already is.
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Post by tee2000 on Sept 10, 2016 6:43:50 GMT -5
As I said there's different strikes for different folks. Just because you have conservative views it doesn't make your way right or righteous above others. Romany gypsies dance and wear inappropriate clothing at a young age but they are not sexually active until marriage so what they wear has no bearing on their morality! It was a 7 year olds birthday so I feel silly string etc may have felt like a good idea at the time its not like that was the funeral service! My views are based on common sense as it applies to funeral customs in the United States.
The Roma culture is different, just as that of the Chinese, etc. The inappropriate dress and actions of the Routier family at the funeral and "party" had nothing to do with culture.
Well it does you just said it yourself you think their white trash so its a class culture thing where people equate class and taste with Morality. This is why I dont like discussing the graveside part because people are too self righteous and judgemental. You cant tell someone's a murderer from the clothes they wear, how they talk the colour of their skin or their class position. What you can do is look at the physical evidence from the crime scene and it actually supports her story and disproves the states version of events.
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Post by tee2000 on Sept 10, 2016 7:04:10 GMT -5
As I said there's different strikes for different folks. Just because you have conservative views it doesn't make your way right or righteous above others. Romany gypsies dance and wear inappropriate clothing at a young age but they are not sexually active until marriage so what they wear has no bearing on their morality! It was a 7 year olds birthday so I feel silly string etc may have felt like a good idea at the time its not like that was the funeral service! My views are based on common sense as it applies to funeral customs in the United States.
The Roma culture is different, just as that of the Chinese, etc. The inappropriate dress and actions of the Routier family at the funeral and "party" had nothing to do with culture.
It was Devons 7th birthday party that the silly string incident occurred not the funeral. Its not unusual for police to tape funerals/gravesites what is unusual was that the so called lead detective never applied for a warrant to do so which he should know as an experienced detective is proper procedure for wire tapping.
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Post by tee2000 on Sept 10, 2016 7:32:00 GMT -5
He was not one of the two people that Darlie claimed (in her letters from jail) that she saw that night. Then when they asked her about those letters pointing to two different people on the stand, she asked the judge if it was legal for them to read her jailhouse mail. The courtroom erupted in laughter. Darlie will never admit her guilt, but guilty she is. I just watched an episode on Forensic Files not long ago. A man and two women were attacked by a man who broke into their house and attacked them with a knife. The man was killed. Both women were face-to-face with the guy when he attacked them as well. Both women survived. When questioned by police neither woman could describe what he looked like, his race or the clothing he was wearing. Their neighbor became a suspect. When asked if the neighbor was the man who attacked them both women said "no." He confessed to the crime after his footprint was found at the scene. The lesson we can learn from this case? Victims of a crime might not be able to identify their attacker. There are so many cases I have seen similar to this one all be it slightly different scenarios where people have been killed or almost killed in their homes by strangers even small children. Look at serial killer tommy Lynn sells or adam Leroy lane their motive was the act of killing. There is a case that really made my skin crawl as it gives me flashbacks from this case have you heard of the murders of chynna and Blake dickus. New information has revealed the perpetrators M.O was to cut window screens in a T-shaped pattern so freakishly similar its scary!
The thing is the media and law enforcement are too busy drilling it into people that you always get murdered by someone you know this isn't always the case.
Or the case of Logan Tipton a 5 year old stabbed to death in the head by a complete stranger from a different state, who's sisters were slashed but survived. Or Dakota Lane 4 who was stabbed to death by a neighbour and his pregnant mother was slashed. The perp was unknown to the family was a teenage neighbour that had recently moved to the area!
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Post by tee2000 on Sept 10, 2016 11:45:54 GMT -5
My views are based on common sense as it applies to funeral customs in the United States.
The Roma culture is different, just as that of the Chinese, etc. The inappropriate dress and actions of the Routier family at the funeral and "party" had nothing to do with culture.
Well it does you just said it yourself you think their white trash so its a class culture thing where people equate class and taste with Morality. This is why I dont like discussing the graveside part because people are too self righteous and judgemental. You cant tell someone's a murderer from the clothes they wear, how they talk the colour of their skin or their class position. What you can do is look at the physical evidence from the crime scene and it actually supports her story and disproves the states version of events. Its your common sense view based on funeral customs in the US? There are many different customs in the US also which would change from person to person,family to family and within and around cultures. What your saying is a political christian ideology where all people act and do the same. It doesn't exist not in the US and not in England isn't that why we defeated hitler years ago?
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Post by jason on Sept 10, 2016 13:12:21 GMT -5
Well it does you just said it yourself you think their white trash so its a class culture thing where people equate class and taste with Morality. This is why I dont like discussing the graveside part because people are too self righteous and judgemental. You cant tell someone's a murderer from the clothes they wear, how they talk the colour of their skin or their class position. What you can do is look at the physical evidence from the crime scene and it actually supports her story and disproves the states version of events. Its your common sense view based on funeral customs in the US? There are many different customs in the US also which would change from person to person,family to family and within and around cultures. What your saying is a political christian ideology where all people act and do the same. It doesn't exist not in the US and not in England isn't that why we defeated hitler years ago? I am probably more familiar with funeral customs in the US than anyone else in this group and criticizing the way Darlie Routier and her relatives dressed and conducted themselves at the funeral and party has nothing to do with morality, culture, taste or "political Christian ideology." I've officiated at hundreds of funerals in which the deceased and family were what a lot of us Southerners call "white trash," and I have yet to see a mother show up dressed as inappropriately as Darlie Routier, or close family members wearing clothes most people reserve for the beach or mowing the lawn. Darlie spent money -- on clothes and jewelry -- like it was going out of style and she couldn't find anything but cutoff shorts showing her butt to wear to her sons' funerals? I do not know of any culture, Christian or otherwise, that doesn't show some modicum of respect for the dead and the Routier family showed no respect whatsoever at the funerals of those boys. Their conduct was disgraceful and if the video impacted the jury's decision, Darlie has no one to blame but herself and her nutty family.
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Post by jason on Sept 10, 2016 13:33:54 GMT -5
It was Devons 7th birthday party that the silly string incident occurred not the funeral. Its not unusual for police to tape funerals/gravesites what is unusual was that the so called lead detective never applied for a warrant to do so which he should know as an experienced detective is proper procedure for wire tapping. I don't see where anyone said anything about the silly string, although no one with the sense God promised a doorknob would spray it in a cemetery. Silly string is blown about, gets into grass and on other grave sites and is very difficult to remove.
There was no wiretapping involved and police do not need a warrant to place a microphone or video device in a public location.
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Post by Kate on Sept 10, 2016 16:20:23 GMT -5
Darlie spent money -- on clothes and jewelry -- like it was going out of style and she couldn't find anything but cutoff shorts showing her butt to wear to her sons' funerals? They weren't cutoffs. She was wearing blue short shorts with a white stripe at the cuffs. They may have looked like cutoffs from a distance.
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Post by tee2000 on Sept 11, 2016 13:11:09 GMT -5
It was Devons 7th birthday party that the silly string incident occurred not the funeral. Its not unusual for police to tape funerals/gravesites what is unusual was that the so called lead detective never applied for a warrant to do so which he should know as an experienced detective is proper procedure for wire tapping. I don't see where anyone said anything about the silly string, although no one with the sense God promised a doorknob would spray it in a cemetery. Silly string is blown about, gets into grass and on other grave sites and is very difficult to remove.
There was no wiretapping involved and police do not need a warrant to place a microphone or video device in a public location.
The priest who conducted the boys funeral said that darlie behaved appropriately just as any grieving mother(this he testified to again read the transcripts). if your talking about the tape where she is wearing shorts and has silly string that was her sons birthday not the funeral so what you guys are saying is irrelevant and the fact you find it inappropriate is your opinion you cant speak for everyone in the US and you havnt lost two young children so you cant say how you would behave. I think wearing all black to a 7year olds birthday memorial would have been inappropriate but again that's my opinion I cant speak for everyone. she had like a shorts and t-shirt on she wasn't wearing hotpants with a crop top her hair and make up done she looks disheveled she was grieving and on meds. So why did they plead the fifth? Read the transcripts! They plead the fifth not to incriminate themselves
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Post by tee2000 on Sept 11, 2016 13:23:01 GMT -5
Darlie spent money -- on clothes and jewelry -- like it was going out of style and she couldn't find anything but cutoff shorts showing her butt to wear to her sons' funerals? They weren't cutoffs. She was wearing blue short shorts with a white stripe at the cuffs. They may have looked like cutoffs from a distance.
Hi Kate not sure if you got my previous reply in regards to Darlie using her non dominant to inflict her wounds I posted it wrong but its on the message board.
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Post by madeline on Sept 11, 2016 20:41:05 GMT -5
The priest who conducted the boys funeral said that darlie behaved appropriately just as any grieving mother(this he testified to again read the transcripts). if your talking about the tape where she is wearing shorts and has silly string that was her sons birthday not the funeral so what you guys are saying is irrelevant and the fact you find it inappropriate is your opinion you cant speak for everyone in the US and you havnt lost two young children so you cant say how you would behave. I think wearing all black to a 7year olds birthday memorial would have been inappropriate but again that's my opinion I cant speak for everyone. she had like a shorts and t-shirt on she wasn't wearing hotpants with a crop top her hair and make up done she looks disheveled she was grieving and on meds. So why did they plead the fifth? Read the transcripts! They plead the fifth not to incriminate themselves The birthday party was held right after the memorial service. Are you saying that she went home and changed? What little of the tape of the memorial service that I have seen shows a woman who looks a lot like Darlie in the same shorts and shirt. Shorts of any length aren't appropriate for a memorial service or birthday party in a cemetery and those shorts Darlie was wearing were no more than 2" below her crotch. I have been to children's funerals and the parents and family members dress the same as they would at an adult's funeral. Why do you keep defending her actions? Most of the people posting here don't think that she killed her children, they're just saying that she and her family acted inappropriately, which turned off a lot of people, including the jury.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Sept 11, 2016 22:13:32 GMT -5
According to the trial transcripts, Darlie's defense team made no attempt to admit the video and police voice recordings from the memorial service into evidence. It was Officer Frosch's attorney who advised his client to plead the Fifth if anything was brought up concerning the recordings, because he [the lawyer] believed the actions of the police might be illegal, and other officers involved followed suit. Even when the police officers' being allowed to plead the Fifth on specific issues was brought up before the judge, the defense's objections were in regard to impeachment of the officers, not the probative value of the recordings. Those looking for someone to blame need look no farther than her defense team, chosen by her egotistical, overbearing mother; her superficial husband, who had seriously misplaced values; the fact KXAS was allowed to film the insane birthday party; and Darlie's own misplaced values. Had Darlie spent all that money she wasted on clothes, jewelry, plastic surgery and a fancy house and furnishings on getting an education, she wouldn't be on death row.
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