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Post by Sam on Dec 13, 2014 2:04:09 GMT -5
I don't think that what the sheriff calls the precision of the decapitation is all that important because anyone who has ever butchered an animal knows how to cut off a head and if you start at the back, once you get a heavy, sharp knife between two of the vertebrae, it would be easy. If you started cutting from the front, it would be a lot harder and messier, so whoever did it probably knew enough to start at the back, but they could have learned that from butchering animals, or from reading it somewhere.
Another thing is that sometimes folks that are cleared of a crime turn out to be guilty. I don't think that any of their relatives killed them, but there could be some kind of connection to some of them.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Dec 13, 2014 7:57:10 GMT -5
Sheriff Sills contacted Sheriff John Rutherford in Jacksonville, Florida, for assistance in this case and two Jacksonville detectives traveled to Eatonton to review evidence, etc. Although one of the sons, Keith Dermond, lives in Jacksonville and Sills and Rutherford roomed together at the FBI Academy, why would he be seeking help from a law enforcement agency 300 miles away in another state instead of one closer to home?
Sam, I agree with you when it comes to decapitation. It doesn’t take a surgeon to dismember a human body. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of anatomy and a little common sense can dismember a human. All you have to know is to use a heavy duty butcher knife and dismember at joints instead of attempting to cut through bones. Or in the case of decapitation, thrust the knife in the back of the neck between the cervical vertebrae and cut. It wouldn’t take a lot of strength to remove a head.
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Post by wolfscratch on Dec 13, 2014 10:50:36 GMT -5
Graveyardbride, in a previous post I explained why Sheriff Howard Sills refuses to use the very experienced and well trained special agents and profilers of the GBI. One of the two reasons is that he believes the GBI<Georgia Bureau of Investigation> has been infiltrated by the Nuwaubian Cult. The other reason is that unless a Sheriff solves the crimes in his jurisdiction without the States help. The Sheriff's position will eventually be phased out, and go the way of the dinosaur.. Sheriff T-Rex Sills' interests lie in paleontology...
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Post by jason on Dec 13, 2014 17:23:54 GMT -5
Graveyardbride, in a previous post I explained why Sheriff Howard Sills refuses to use the very experienced and well trained special agents and profilers of the GBI. One of the two reasons is that he believes the GBI<Georgia Bureau of Investigation> has been infiltrated by the Nuwaubian Cult. The other reason is that unless a Sheriff solves the crimes in his jurisdiction without the States help. The Sheriff's position will eventually be phased out, and go the way of the dinosaur.. Sheriff T-Rex Sills' interests lie in paleontology... I read where you gave your reasons why Sills doesn't trust the GBI, but that doesn't explain why he's contacting people out of state for help. If the detectives down in Florida cracked the case, everyone would know it, so if he's all that concerned about solving crimes in his own jurisdiction, why is he bringing in law enforcement people from Florida? More than likely, he's in a pissing contest with the GBI, and probably other law enforcement agencies in Georgia, as well. Sheriffs like Sills are the reason a lot of crimes are never solved.
If I were the sheriff up there, Jacksonville, Florida, would be the last place I'd turn to for help. A few years ago, they searched a house twice for a missing girl and all the time her body was underneath a boy's bed stinking to high heaven. They also lost the evidence in the Adam Walsh case that could have proved, or disproved, that Ottis Toole was his killer. Talk about Keystone Cops!
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Post by Graveyardbride on Dec 15, 2014 11:53:50 GMT -5
Sheriff Says Dermonds Knew Their KillersSeven months have passed since Russell Dermond was beheaded at his Lake Oconee home and his wife, Shirley, was killed and her body dumped in the lake.
Putnam County investigators have worked continuously since then to find suspects in the grisly slayings, that happened sometime over the weekend of May 2. Now, the county sheriff tells WSB TV his office is wading through a new round of evidence: phone records. Sheriff Howard Sills (above) told the TV station that his office has received tens of thousands of pages worth of phone records from the six months before the Dermonds were murdered. Investigators are also combing through similar phone records to anyone associated with the slain couple. The Gwinnett County district attorney’s office is using special software to help analyze the data in hopes that the logs will uncover clues.
Russell Dermond, 88, was beheaded in his home on Lake Oconee and his body was found on May 6 when friends went to the couple’s home. His head has not been recovered. Shirley Dermond, 87, was missing at the time. Her body was found two weeks later, in Lake Oconee, Patch earlier reported. She had suffered blunt force trauma to the head and was dead before her body was dumped into the lake.
Investigators still have no suspects, and no motive, in the double murder.
Russell Dermond had worked for clockmaking companies until the late 1980s, when he ran a chain of Atlanta-area Hardee’s restaurants, WSB reports. About 15 years ago, the couple moved to Lake Oconee to enjoy life in a golf-course community in a waterfront home.
Sills previousy told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he believes the Dermonds were “at least minimally acquainted with whoever did this. That’s an assumption, coupled with some physical evidence,” he said. The attackers didn’t use force to enter the couple’s lakeside home. Investigators said Shirley Dermond’s wallet, cellphone, purse and cards were all left behind.
A $55,000 reward is being offered to help solve the case, but has not yet generated any suspect. Anyone with information is asked to contact the FBI at 404-679-9000 or the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office at 706-485-8557. Source: Deb Belt, The Patch, December 9, 2014.
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Post by catherine on Dec 15, 2014 16:59:03 GMT -5
This means that the killers probably lived in the same community. Everyone is saying that it couldn't have been teenagers, but what if some teenage pseudo-Satanitsts decided to cut someone's head off, picked this weird old couple who lived in a house where no one could see anything and their parents found out and dumped the woman's body and cleaned up the scene? The sheriff should be checking to see if any kids in the area have been sent off to a rehab center or some other hospital shortly after the murders.
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Post by Sam on Dec 15, 2014 22:07:23 GMT -5
You might be right, Catherine. Cleaning up the scene would be something that parents would do to protect their kids. I was kind of surprised to read that the sheriff said that the victims knew the killers because that means that it wasn't random or someone just wanting to get back at the sheriff, or wanting to send some kind of message.
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Post by wolfscratch on Dec 18, 2014 22:04:34 GMT -5
Jason, I agree about the FL cold case detectives, but disagree with the Jacksonville, FL PD loosing the evidence in the Adam Walsh case. That was Lake City, FL detectives... The Adam Walsh case set cold for over 25 years due to the detectives failing to develop the film of the luminol tests on Ottis Toole's vehicle.. Miami Beach Homicide Detective Sgt. Joe Matthews, located the film in FDLE's cold case evidence room 25 years later and had it developed. Read the book 'BRINGING ADAM HOME'.. I met Joe Matthews/AMW, at a CUE Missing/Murdered Persons National Conference in Wilmington, NC, a couple of years ago.. His presentation was awesome. He verified that most homicide investigations that grow cold are due to perceived hypothesis, jurisdiction linkage blindness, and HUGE EGOs..... BRINGING ADAM HOME book trailer www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsDmptSWiIE
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Post by pat on Dec 18, 2014 22:30:03 GMT -5
I live just south of Jacksonville in Clay County and I remember that it was back in the mid or late 1990's when it was all over the news about the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office losing the evidence that had been collected from Toole's car when he was in the Duval County Jail in the early 1980's. There was blood on the carpet of his car, but this was before DNA testing and the carpet was supposed to be put in the evidence room. Then when DNA testing was available, they couldn't find the bloody carpet. So far as I know, Ottis Toole never committed any crimes in Lake City.
I used to know this paralegal who was a member of some kind of organization against the death penalty, and she used to visit prisoners at Florida State Prison. She had two sons and one day when she was interviewing Toole, he asked her if she had any pictures of her sons and she was so stupid that she took out her wallet and showed him the photos of her sons, who were around 6 and 8, and Toole started telling her about how he would like to rape and murder them. Toole was one sick weirdo.
I heard on the news from Jacksonville just the other night that less than half of the murders so far this year have been solved. Jacksonville has a very high violent crime rate, a lot higher than the average in Florida, but most of the murders are black on black crime, so no one ever hears about most of them.
The following site was the first one that I found about JSO losing the evidence, but I'm sure there are others, even if it was almost 20 years ago:
articles.sun-sentinel.com/1996-02-17/news/9602170032_1_adam-walsh-ottis-elwood-toole-adam-s-killer
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Post by pat on Dec 18, 2014 22:39:51 GMT -5
I hope that the sheriff up there is reading internet sites because I don't think he's the sharpest tool in the drawer, though I agree that the couple probably knew their killers. It probably hasn't occurred to him to check on kids recently sent away for psychiatric treatment and that is definitely something that he should be doing.
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Post by natalie on Dec 19, 2014 11:20:01 GMT -5
I am wondering if it could be a disgruntled employee, since it says the man ran a chain of restaurants. Getting fired could set someone that is already unstable into a rage, and that could also explain why the couple may have allowed the person into their home -- because an ex-employee would not be a complete stranger. It could also be a neighbor, or one of their kids, having claimed car trouble and needing to use a phone or something. They would have easily opened the door to that person because again, it would not be a stranger. I am not sure that checking the couple's phone records will tell us anything. People can just show up out of the blue without calling beforehand to announce their presence.
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Post by wolfscratch on Dec 19, 2014 11:59:49 GMT -5
Interesting Pat.. My first experience researching and backtracking a sadistic psychopathic sexual predator/serial killer was 01/2008/gary michael<mack> hilton. Prolific psychopathic predators will fool even the most experienced homicide investigators. Usually of higher intelligence and narcissistic, they are very calculating, creative, manipulative, and deflective. They hone their skills with each innocent victim devoured, and if not identified and apprehended after their first couple of kills. They will escalate to more deviant behavior in most cases.. Here is the presser by the Hollywood Police Chief; 'Adam Walsh Murder Solved' www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLed1gackqc
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Post by wolfscratch on Dec 19, 2014 12:03:00 GMT -5
This is prolly one of the best articles that I have read concerning serial predators; Serial Killers - A Homicide Detective's Take By Lieutenant Nelson Andreu (Retired) Miami Police Department www.expertlaw.com/library/investigators/serial_killers.htmlContents Credentials and Interest Common Knowledge Genesis of a Serial Killer Victim Selection Victim Objectification Denouement Case Histories
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Post by steve on Dec 20, 2014 18:12:18 GMT -5
Graveyardbride, in a previous post I explained why Sheriff Howard Sills refuses to use the very experienced and well trained special agents and profilers of the GBI. One of the two reasons is that he believes the GBI<Georgia Bureau of Investigation> has been infiltrated by the Nuwaubian Cult. The other reason is that unless a Sheriff solves the crimes in his jurisdiction without the States help. The Sheriff's position will eventually be phased out, and go the way of the dinosaur.. Sheriff T-Rex Sills' interests lie in paleontology... Like I've said before, I haven't studied murder as much as most people on this site, so I'm no expert, but in the latest update, the sheriff said that he thinks the Dermond couple knew their killers and it's hard for me to believe that they would have been all that friendly with members of some black cult.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Apr 22, 2015 14:37:41 GMT -5
Investigators Release New Details in Dermond Case
Investigators pursuing the killers who beheaded a retired Atlanta businessman and killed his wife have released new details about the murders, indicating the suspects weighted down Shirley Dermond’s body with cement blocks before throwing her into Lake Oconee.
In May 2014, Russell Dermond, 88, was beheaded in his home on the lake. His body was found on May 6 when friends went to the couple’s home. His head has not been recovered.
Shirley Dermond, 87, was missing at the time. Her body was found two weeks later, in Lake Oconee. She had suffered blunt force trauma to the head and was dead before her body was dumped into the lake. Sheriff Howard Sill told WSB-TV that a search for similar cement blocks reveals they are common. But the recovery of the blocks and Shirley Dermond’s body yielded what could be significant evidence in the case, once a suspect is identified. FBI Special Agent Steve Emmett told WSB the way the victim’s body was handled by the killers gives profilers an understanding of the suspects’ behavior.
In December, Putnam County investigators said they were wading through tens of thousands of pages worth of phone records from the six months before the Dermonds were murdered. Authorities also combed through similar phone records to anyone associated with the slain couple. The Gwinnett County district attorney’s office is using special software to help analyze the data in hopes the logs will uncover clues. Investigators still have no suspects or motive in the double murder.
Russell Dermond had worked for clockmaking companies until the late 1980s, when he ran a chain of Atlanta-area Hardee’s restaurants. About 15 years ago, the couple moved to Lake Oconee to enjoy life in a golf-course community in a waterfront home.
Sills previously told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution he believes the Dermonds were “at least minimally acquainted with whoever did this. That’s an assumption, coupled with some physical evidence,” he said. The attackers didn’t use force to enter the couple’s lakeside home and Shirley Dermond’s wallet, cellphone, purse and cards were all left behind.
A $55,000 reward is offered to help solve the case. Anyone with information is asked to contact the FBI at 404-679-9000 or the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office at 706-485-8557.
Source: Deb Belt, The Buckhead Patch, February 23, 2015.
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