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Post by Isbeau on Nov 17, 2019 14:13:04 GMT -5
I started looking at the Forrest Fenn Treasure Hunt and noticed that trying to find the treasure using his poem is similar to the Mystery Location Game. You can’t just study the clues. You have to understand the clue-giver.
The first clue to the location is “where warm waters halt”. One person said it’s the Red Sea and the Colorado map has a red C. It could be Colorado because that’s supposed to mean red as well. Someone else thinks it’s has to do with trout waters vs warm waters in the NM fishing regulations, or with the Western Inland Sea.
I’m just wondering if Graveyardbride or anyone who has mastered the location game thinks he was pointing to a state with the first clue, or would he think natural and/or prehistoric.
The next clue is “take it in the canyon down”.
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Post by steve on Nov 17, 2019 19:21:14 GMT -5
I started looking at the Forrest Fenn Treasure Hunt and noticed that trying to find the treasure using his poem is similar to the Mystery Location Game. You can’t just study the clues. You have to understand the clue-giver. The first clue to the location is “where warm waters halt”. One person said it’s the Red Sea and the Colorado map has a red C. It could be Colorado because that’s supposed to mean red as well. Someone else thinks it’s has to do with trout waters vs warm waters in the NM fishing regulations, or with the Western Inland Sea. I’m just wondering if Graveyardbride or anyone who has mastered the location game thinks he was pointing to a state with the first clue, or would he think natural and/or prehistoric. The next clue is “take it in the canyon down”.
I found and read read the entire poem and it seems to be a place that he had knowledge of, but I'm no good at figuring out mysteries. In all the time that we've had the Mystery Locations, I've named only 1 and that was because it was the murder of an entire family that I'd just heard about on the news.
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Post by Isbeau on Nov 17, 2019 21:44:42 GMT -5
He says there are many places in the Rockies where warm waters halt so I think it has to be related to the Western Interior Seaway which was tropical.
Most people think his "borders" hints refer to state borders but I think borders could be the borders or edges of the ancient seaway. He was an outdoorsman and an archaeologist so I'm guessing he'd think in those terms. He didn't need to mention a state anyway because, in the beginning, it was a local hunt, and he said it was just in the mountains north of Santa Fe. When it went national, he said it was in the Rocky Mountains. If it's outside NM, then he might have left a clue to the state. But I agree with those who think it was close to home, but close to the border or borders of Oklahoma, Texas and Colorado.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Nov 17, 2019 23:21:28 GMT -5
Forrest Fenn’s Poem
The launch of Forrest Fenn’s treasure hunt coincided with the release of his 2010 self-published memoir, The Thrill of the Chase. The book contains the roadmap for finding the treasure in the form of a 24-stanza poem; one that Fenn says possesses the nine clues that will hunters to his grand prize. The poem reads as follows:
As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.
Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.
From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.
If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.
So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.
So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.
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Post by Graveyardbride on Nov 17, 2019 23:32:35 GMT -5
I started looking at the Forrest Fenn Treasure Hunt and noticed that trying to find the treasure using his poem is similar to the Mystery Location Game. You can’t just study the clues. You have to understand the clue-giver. The first clue to the location is “where warm waters halt”. One person said it’s the Red Sea and the Colorado map has a red C. It could be Colorado because that’s supposed to mean red as well. Someone else thinks it’s has to do with trout waters vs warm waters in the NM fishing regulations, or with the Western Inland Sea. I’m just wondering if Graveyardbride or anyone who has mastered the location game thinks he was pointing to a state with the first clue, or would he think natural and/or prehistoric. The next clue is “take it in the canyon down”. |
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Post by steve on Nov 18, 2019 18:05:24 GMT -5
Instead of “where warm waters meet,” I would concentrate on the “home of Brown,” perhaps a reference to George Brown, the Owens Valley Pioneer? Brown and his family fished and caught rainbow and brown trout in the lower canyon, but they all preferred the golden trout that inhabit the cold waters in the high country. You may be onto to something. |
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Post by Isbeau on Nov 21, 2019 18:16:46 GMT -5
According to Fenn, you're not allowed to jump. It won't work, he says.
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Post by kitty on Nov 21, 2019 21:34:52 GMT -5
According to Fenn, you're not allowed to jump. It won't work, he says. |
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Post by Isbeau on Nov 22, 2019 0:55:17 GMT -5
You have to solve the first clue first. He set it up that way, he says. You can't work backward or jump ahead to find the exact location.
The first clue is to a location, although he made it vague on purpose so people would go to the wrong locations. You have to go to the chosen location and proceed from there. Or I suppose, if that's true, you could look on Google Map Satellite View and get an idea that way.
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Post by Sam on Nov 22, 2019 1:16:21 GMT -5
You have to solve the first clue first. He set it up that way, he says. You can't work backward or jump ahead to find the exact location. The first clue is to a location, although he made it vague on purpose so people would go to the wrong locations. You have to go to the chosen location and proceed from there. Or I suppose, if that's true, you could look on Google Map Satellite View and get an idea that way.
But if Brown is referring to George Brown and the 1st clue is
Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
and the Brown family preferred golden trout in the cold waters to the ones in warm water, wouldn't that be a place where warm waters halt?
The next clue is a puzzle
Not far, but too far to walk.
That must have some other meaning because how else would you get there unless he means a river or stream and he intended for people to go by boat.
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Post by Isbeau on Nov 22, 2019 18:28:56 GMT -5
According to NM regulations, all non-trout waters are warm waters. Warm waters therefore in NM would stop at
1. any trout species waters.
2. where the non-NM/non-designated warm waters (non-trout) hit the NM designated warm waters (non-trout). Or rather vice versa.
That’s my understanding of that theory applied to the NM search.
I also thought you might need a boat and that’s why you had to “look quickly down”. But Fenn said it’s not in water and he wrote a book about “too far to walk” and it didn’t mean crossing water. I think he debunked to river theory after someone drowned.
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Post by steve on Nov 22, 2019 21:27:34 GMT -5
According to NM regulations, all non-trout waters are warm waters. Warm waters therefore in NM would stop at 1. any trout species waters. 2. where the non-NM/non-designated warm waters (non-trout) hit the NM designated warm waters (non-trout). Or rather vice versa. That’s my understanding of that theory applied to the NM search. I also thought you might need a boat and that’s why you had to “look quickly down”. But Fenn said it’s not in water and he wrote a book about “too far to walk” and it didn’t mean crossing water. I think he debunked to river theory after someone drowned.
Regardless of what NM regulations are, there are some species of trout in warmer waters than those where, for instance, there are golden trout.
Also, just because the treasure isn't in water doesn't mean you don't have to take a boat to get to it. There are a lot of places in canyons that you can't get to any other way.
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Post by Isbeau on Nov 23, 2019 2:01:02 GMT -5
"Put in" below the home of Brown makes me think of putting in a boat but "halt" is the key word and only a dam or a wall or a shore halts water. It can't be a structure though according to Fenn. And New Mexico has a lot of desert. Everyone thinks he just drove to the area from Santa Fe, without a boat in tow. He said he went twice to get the job done, I believe because the treasure was heavy. I'm also thinking maybe he was too tired to dig or go back with a shovel right away.
Then you have "no paddle up your creek". Can you have a dry creek running into a flowing river? I'm guessing it's possible.
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Post by JoannaL on Nov 23, 2019 18:42:46 GMT -5
"Put in" below the home of Brown makes me think of putting in a boat but "halt" is the key word and only a dam or a wall or a shore halts water. It can't be a structure though according to Fenn. And New Mexico has a lot of desert. Everyone thinks he just drove to the area from Santa Fe, without a boat in tow. He said he went twice to get the job done, I believe because the treasure was heavy. I'm also thinking maybe he was too tired to dig or go back with a shovel right away. Then you have "no paddle up your creek". Can you have a dry creek running into a flowing river? I'm guessing it's possible. |
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Post by Isbeau on Nov 23, 2019 23:58:04 GMT -5
He was also an archaeologist and an art gallery owner with a painter friend whose favorite color was brown. The first two clues are supposed to put you in the right spot without knowing the home of Brown. "Canyon down" can't be specific as far as I can tell unless "where warm waters halt" can be made to specify one place by some means. The best I've seen with those warm water theories related to fish etc. is one solution related to the border of NM and Colorado that narrows it down to six rivers. I'm sure he wanted people to go all over the place but I doubt he built a process of elimination into his hunt, although that's what's going on, I guess, without success.
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